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07-12-2019, 11:45 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Alaska in Summer Snow Birds in Winter
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Originally Posted by awol50
And we could all drive 40mph too. I don't have a brake system on my 2800# toad and won't ever. Legal is legal.
Of all the things to worry over, pulling a small toad legally is not one of them.
Nobody has ever documented to me a fatality from a legally towed vehicle without braking being the cause of a fatality by breaking away. Still waiting.
I kind of laugh when I see 20 ton RVs passing me at 70 mph pulling 2-3 ton vehicles that have braking, preach to others on the virtues of peace of mind.
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Are you claiming that your set up, with no braking system and no break away system, is legal in the contiguous 48 states?
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07-12-2019, 01:37 PM
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#100
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club Spartan Chassis
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07-12-2019, 02:32 PM
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#101
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Originally Posted by awol50
No. Legal is legal. And where is the fatalities? All I see is a car with front end damage.
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While it is obvious no one is going to talk you into a brake system, you are not legal in all states! Some have a 1500 lb. limit for adding brakes. I’m sure you will probably never get a ticket for it but you are not legal everywhere.
Hopefully you will never regret your decision.
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2019 Entegra Cornerstone 45Y,
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07-12-2019, 02:40 PM
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#102
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
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Location: Bayfield, Ontario
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How does the old saying go.......Can’t teach common sense, can’t fix stupid.
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07-12-2019, 03:00 PM
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#103
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Entegra Owners Club
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Location: SW FL
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Originally Posted by 757driver
How does the old saying go.......Can’t teach common sense, can’t fix stupid.
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Exactly why I still believe there should be an RV license requirement nationwide. Then there would be no excuse for "I didn't know". Texas I one of the few smart states.
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07-12-2019, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gasman 2
I don’t think the safety cables or the fact he had no brake system on the toad had anything to with this failure. The whole front clip on the passenger side is torn loose which brings into question the method the base plate was install. Was this involved in an accident?
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From the overlaid wording on the photo my guess is the damage came from the Jeep Death Wobble.
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07-12-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by brobox
Exactly why I still believe there should be an RV license requirement nationwide. Then there would be no excuse for "I didn't know". Texas I one of the few smart states.
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There’s also: The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Personally, I wouldn’t have high hopes for the effectiveness of an RV licensing program on the national level. Does the knowledge required to obtain the necessary endorsement in Texas, or any other state, truly qualify anyone to operate an RV in a safe manner?
Finally, how does one determine the “smartness” of a state?
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07-12-2019, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RVPioneer
There’s also: The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Personally, I wouldn’t have high hopes for the effectiveness of an RV licensing program on the national level. Does the knowledge required to obtain the necessary endorsement in Texas, or any other state, truly qualify anyone to operate an RV in a safe manner?
Finally, how does one determine the “smartness” of a state?
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Having to study for a test would at least give people the knowledge of common sense laws. If they choose not to practice them, then they have no excuse not to be ticketed.
As for smart states: how many outside of those that have taken a test could pass an air safety test on MH equipped with air brakes?? I'll bet not many. I won't even go into towing laws as this post has already showed that a few are lacking that knowledge.
I wish my state was as smart as TX requiring a licenses for RV's over 26.000 pounds.
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07-12-2019, 11:47 PM
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#107
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I'm legal wherever I go. Why the obsession with "legal". You never drive over speed limits? Complete stops at all stop signs? Etc.
As far as I can tell, nobody has ever pointed out even one fatality caused by an under 3000# toad separation accident from a toad with no aux brakes....ever.
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Originally Posted by Nowabeachbum
While it is obvious no one is going to talk you into a brake system, you are not legal in all states! Some have a 1500 lb. limit for adding brakes. I’m sure you will probably never get a ticket for it but you are not legal everywhere.
Hopefully you will never regret your decision.
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07-13-2019, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 757driver
How does the old saying go.......Can’t teach common sense, can’t fix stupid.
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Hard to teach manners too.
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07-13-2019, 12:13 AM
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#109
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Entegra Owners Club
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Location: Bayfield, Ontario
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Originally Posted by awol50
Hard to teach manners too.
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For someone that argues a need to see a fatality from a runaway towed car before he would consider putting on a braking system we are well beyond manners.
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07-13-2019, 12:49 AM
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#110
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And I was accused of posting "snarky comments"
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07-13-2019, 01:37 AM
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#111
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Alaska in Summer Snow Birds in Winter
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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit
And I was accused of posting "snarky comments"
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I remember that........ LOL.
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06 Winnebago Adventurer 38J Workhorse W24 Lots of motor and suspension mods in the works
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07-13-2019, 09:20 AM
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#112
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Originally Posted by awol50
I'm legal wherever I go. Why the obsession with "legal". You never drive over speed limits? Complete stops at all stop signs? Etc.
As far as I can tell, nobody has ever pointed out even one fatality caused by an under 3000# toad separation accident from a toad with no aux brakes....ever.
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Can you provided us with documentation to support your statement about being legal wherever you go?
Some have suggested that towing regulations and enforcement are established by each state and that there is no reciprocity for non-compliance.
At this point I just don’t know who to believe without documentation.
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