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Old 05-21-2013, 06:43 AM   #43
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:54 PM   #44
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Tom,

Take your time and think about this investment wisely! As referred to by Dave, a trailer will give you current and future flexibility. I have a custom built motorized tilt trailer using a snow plow remote for power up and down. This trailer (which is a heavy duty tandem axle) lightweight aluminum with enlarged wheels and tires, allows me to tow my either my Lexus convertible, Cadillac Escalade pick-up, or Buick LeSabre. Any of those three with my golf cart on board. No wear and tear on tires, axles, trans, etc. ONE of the best investments made for our traveling. With an option like this Tom, you can basically pick whatever ride you want now or in the future. As I told my wife, when we go to tour the Corvette factory next year, (no tours this year due too major renovations,) I can load up a new Stingray and bring it back home with us!!!
Wait a minute...trailer, $75000 Vette....you are going to be moving around in way too much style. Isn't driving the best coach around enough????

By the way, taking delivery of a Vette at theCorvette Museum is a once in a lifetime event. Last I checked for $500, well worth it...I won't tell you more and spoil the secret.

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Old 05-21-2013, 04:13 PM   #45
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Actually Honda quit allowing it with the 2005 model. We got it in writing on Honda letterhead in Dec 2004 before we bought the '05 Ody that it was towable four down using the CR-V instructions.
After a little wrangling with their legal department they paid us something over $2,200 not to tow it anymore. We bought a KK-460 dolly. And yes, I have tried towing it four down, the battery (new BTW) goes flat in just a day of towing.
Yeah we are toad rebels I guess. Wish we could get them to pay us! When we started towing, our 2007 was already out of warranty and we had some unofficial assurances from some engineering staff at Honda as well as other folks that were already doing it. 20K miles so far towing and about 70K regular miles and no problems so far knock on wood. We do stop and run the engine every couple of hours usually when towing.
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I am beginning a search for a toad.

Just thought it would be interesting to know what(if?) other entegra owners own.

I am in no rush-- but want to be ready if the right deal comes up

Most of the time I am pulling a trailer anyway and can not pull a car, but I would like to narrow it down To one or two vehicles. Whatever I get, it needs to be able to fit 2 car seats for grandkids.

So far,I have looked at Subaru outback, Honda crv, and various jeeps. Also, considered Chevy enclave.

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I am beginning a search for a toad.

Just thought it would be interesting to know what(if?) other entegra owners own.

I am in no rush-- but want to be ready if the right deal comes up

Most of the time I am pulling a trailer anyway and can not pull a car, but I would like to narrow it down To one or two vehicles. Whatever I get, it needs to be able to fit 2 car seats for grandkids.

So far,I have looked at Subaru outback, Honda crv, and various jeeps. Also, considered Chevy enclave.

Thanks to all!

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Thanks to all for the great feedback and ideas/comments.

I do own a 1 year old aluminum 20' enclosed trailer that can haul a car. Several people suggested that as an option . This is certainly a possibility as I could simply use what I have (my current cars are not flat towable).

I am , however, trying to get away from hauling a trailer if at all possible. When I haul trailers now--it is either full of business stuff or it is my daughters 23' Jayco travel trailer.

Today I test drove a 2007 Honda CVR (leather seats) that is already set up for towing. Unfortunately--after 5 minutes my back was screaming 'no way'! I then test drove a new 2013 CRV with the premium cloth (non powered seat ) and had the same 'pain in back' issue. The 2013 CRV with an adjustable seat (leather option) seems to be fine on my back. I am told that 2012 and 2013 are the only model years with power adjustable seats available for the CRV.

I test drove a Subaru 2013 Outback 6 speed manual. You need the manual for towing and I like manual trans--but you can only get a manual in a lower trim level in the Subaru. I could live with the trim level but I am not sure about the shifter/clutch. It was pretty 'bad' in my opinion. I am used to German (VW,AUDI, BMW) shifters and was quite unimpressed with the Subaru. Even some Honda manual transmissions I have driven were better than this Subaru.

I have not tested any Jeeps or any other vehicles yet. Sure wish VW Jetta Sportwagons were flat towable!

I have concluded that my goals for a TOAD are :

---under 4000 pounds (so it can be towed with a 5000 lb tow limit vehicle even though my RV has a 15K tow limit))
---fits 2 car seats and has 'current best' safety specifications
---on road use for 99% of the time
---it does not have to have the ride. power, comfort of , for example, a BMW or MB--or even a VW, but it needs to not actively Hurt to drive!
---the less hassle the better (jeep like 'hook up and go'--but probably not a jeep!)
---trying to keep cash out reasonable low (reasonable is a relative term)


So--I am still looking. Outback and CRV still on the list.

I appreciate all the help and look forward to any additional comments.

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Thanks to all for the great feedback and ideas/comments.

I do own a 1 year old aluminum 20' enclosed trailer that can haul a car. Several people suggested that as an option . This is certainly a possibility as I could simply use what I have (my current cars are not flat towable).

I am , however, trying to get away from hauling a trailer if at all possible. When I haul trailers now--it is either full of business stuff or it is my daughters 23' Jayco travel trailer.

Today I test drove a 2007 Honda CVR (leather seats) that is already set up for towing. Unfortunately--after 5 minutes my back was screaming 'no way'! I then test drove a new 2013 CRV with the premium cloth (non powered seat ) and had the same 'pain in back' issue. The 2013 CRV with an adjustable seat (leather option) seems to be fine on my back. I am told that 2012 and 2013 are the only model years with power adjustable seats available for the CRV.

I test drove a Subaru 2013 Outback 6 speed manual. You need the manual for towing and I like manual trans--but you can only get a manual in a lower trim level in the Subaru. I could live with the trim level but I am not sure about the shifter/clutch. It was pretty 'bad' in my opinion. I am used to German (VW,AUDI, BMW) shifters and was quite unimpressed with the Subaru. Even some Honda manual transmissions I have driven were better than this Subaru.

I have not tested any Jeeps or any other vehicles yet. Sure wish VW Jetta Sportwagons were flat towable!

I have concluded that my goals for a TOAD are :

---under 4000 pounds (so it can be towed with a 5000 lb tow limit vehicle even though my RV has a 15K tow limit))
---fits 2 car seats and has 'current best' safety specifications
---on road use for 99% of the time
---it does not have to have the ride. power, comfort of , for example, a BMW or MB--or even a VW, but it needs to not actively Hurt to drive!
---the less hassle the better (jeep like 'hook up and go'--but probably not a jeep!)
---trying to keep cash out reasonable low (reasonable is a relative term)


So--I am still looking. Outback and CRV still on the list.

I appreciate all the help and look forward to any additional comments.

Tom Volk
So how about an off the wall suggestion ... and Overhauler lift set up for ATV or golf cart. Then put your toad on the lift ... a Smart Car or the little FIAT.

I have talked with folks with this type of toad and they really like them for getting around once parked with their rig. Don't know whether it works weight wise, but worth a look.
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....Today I test drove a 2007 Honda CVR (leather seats) that is already set up for towing. Unfortunately--after 5 minutes my back was screaming 'no way'! I then test drove a new 2013 CRV with the premium cloth (non powered seat ) and had the same 'pain in back' issue. The 2013 CRV with an adjustable seat (leather option) seems to be fine on my back. I am told that 2012 and 2013 are the only model years with power adjustable seats available for the CRV.
Tom, we had a 2006 CRV with cloth seats and I found it very uncomfortable to drive. In anticipation of the new coach, we purchased a 2012 CRV with the leather package. The seating comfort is significantly better in the newer car. We drove it 1800 miles to pickup the coach driving over 500 miles on a couple days. It is a pleasure to drive. If I had to do it all over again, I would still buy a CRV but only with the leather package.
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The problem with a trailer, is that when you arrive, you have a trailer. We like the Ford Flex and it might be right for you.
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The problem with a trailer, is that when you arrive, you have a trailer. We like the Ford Flex and it might be right for you.
We agree - our 2007 Silverado Crew Cab is a bit heavy, but it gives us great flexibility. When we wander around after parking, we can go out with another couple and carry all sorts of "stuff" The spoiled dog loves having his own seat and the ability to sit on the console and help navigate or scare off those pesky cows and horse along the road.

It is super easy to prepare for towing - no fuses or other issues.

Since we live in the middle of nowhere, we need the pickup for around the house duties. The Silverado provides a lot of flexibility.

The downside is I can't tell DW that we don't have room for that "Perfect Table" or whatever she finds at an antique shop. But then there is plenty of room for the stuff I find.

It might not be right for everyone, but it works well for us.
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We flat tow a Cadillac SRX. No fuses to pull, no ignition key. Just push the hidden button under the shifter boot shift into neutral and go! Very comfortable, good safety rating and very versatile.
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