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Old 07-21-2018, 01:02 PM   #1
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Towing Question

trying to make a decision. we plan to downsize from the monaco windsor, (has been great!) to something smaller. we still want to carry our toys and animals. we think maybe a class b older or newer, that has the tow capability to pull a small toyhauler that we could use on occasions for motorcycling and longer stay at campgrounds. also use the class b for short trips north and south for family get togethers.


anyone know which class B can tow at least 8500 lbs? older or newer, thanks!
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:58 PM   #2
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Doubt it.
My 2016 Winnebago Era has a 5000 pound limit with a 500 pound hitch weight max.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:36 PM   #3
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8500# sounds like a lot. There are some class A MH that can't handle that weight. Hopefully you get an answer that help yoou.
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Old 07-21-2018, 03:07 PM   #4
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Maybe something from GM, like an older Express or Savana with the big diesel engines from 1996-2002. I think they still have a lot of pull with their newer versions of the same 2 models, using gas engines. I don't know of too many upfitters that used the older diesel powered models as a base for their class B conversions.
The problem with towing that much weight is frame and suspension stress, hitch/drawbar capacity, and muscle to pull that much weight, without exceeding the GVWR and GCWR of the van.
You might find some DIY or custom class B vans out there with that type of towing capability, but I'd think they might be pretty scarce.
If money is no object, an outfit like Sportsmobile might be able to create a custom build that can carry some of the class B amenities on the van chassis, and still have enough power and pull for the trailer weight. The GM vans seem to be the only possibility, based on this website.

https://www.autobytel.com/minivans/c...pacity-132005/
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Some of the Super C's will have that, but then you're back to the size you have now.
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The Ford E450s with V 10s are the only vans I know of that were rated to tow that much weight. That was in a van configuration, not set up as a Class B, with all the extra weight that would be involved in that.
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As others said...unlikely... FWIW, you would need to stick with a stock body. Any of the B+ style rigs advise AGAINST using any sort of weight-equalizing hitch, since the upfitters extend the chassis frame to accommodate the body. Maybe one of the IVECO or Unimog-style expedition vehicles...!
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thanks everyone for your quick response. and the search continues!
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Just more feedback.... as I am getting into an LTV Unity in a couple months, and have a Can Am Spyder F3, I am looking at the issues of towing. More likely than not, I will have Kaufman Trailers build me a tandem axle, small (about 6' x 12') enclosed trailer to hold one Spyder. Total weight estimated at 3000lbs or less.

My history includes towing Airstream TT's for 50,000 or more miles, using Dodge/Cummins set up at about 500 hp and 800 ft/lbs torque. Also 95 gallons of fuel.

The new issues will be adapting my towing techniques for less power (torque of only 325 ft/lbs) and very limited fuel capacity (26.5 gal). Possibly adding a fuel tank, the details to be determined.

As most of the Class B+ and C moho's are rather underpowered (by my standards) I doubt you will find anything that will pull what you want, and the handling issue would become critical as the chassis has already been pushed to the list by the build out of the living quarters.

Just my thoughts...
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MsMoto - I drag 3200# of Suby behind our Sprinter-based Prism without issue. Just went thru Eisenhower Tunnels this Spring... NOT underpowered at all. Issue with adding extra fuel tank equates to carrying more weight, you'll have to give up something else if you do that. I routinely get 15 mpg towing the Suby, and around 16+ if I'm not, so not a huge drag with it back there. My usual mileage between fill-ups is right around 275 +/- miles on the tank, giving me a bit of reserve. Have pressed on to just over 300 miles on a tank, still had some reserve, just a bit much for my comfort level.
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They can if equipped properly, but be warned... Sway can be somewhat hidden with the coach weight. Exceed nothing, and distribute accordingly.
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MsMoto - I drag 3200# of Suby behind our Sprinter-based Prism without issue. Just went thru Eisenhower Tunnels this Spring... NOT underpowered at all. Issue with adding extra fuel tank equates to carrying more weight, you'll have to give up something else if you do that. I routinely get 15 mpg towing the Suby, and around 16+ if I'm not, so not a huge drag with it back there. My usual mileage between fill-ups is right around 275 +/- miles on the tank, giving me a bit of reserve. Have pressed on to just over 300 miles on a tank, still had some reserve, just a bit much for my comfort level.
Thanks for the feedback. As my new LTV Unity is about a month away from delivery, I can only guess at how things will work. But, the first item will be to load up with the gear I usually have on board, then head for the scales to see what I have left in carrying capacity.

The second issue will be the actual handling of the unit, then a decision as to whether adding suspension modifications to increase the safety issues in windy situations is indicated. My RV'ing has seen conditions where the wipers blew off the windshield of my Tiffin Bus, my Airstream trailer was about 15 feet out to the left side of my truck (blizzard in Wyoming 2010), and wind with hail the size of a baseball. Thus, chassis enhancements are a strong consideration.

Of course, the 11,030 GVWR limits a lot in the way of changes.
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Chassis enhancements are minimal for the Mercedes chassis and, quite honestly, unneeded. A stiffer sway bar is about it. My Navion handles very well in wind and I don’t notice passing trucks. If weather conditions are so bad that they are pushing your trailer into the other lane or blowing off your wipers, why aren’t you parked?
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Chassis enhancements are minimal for the Mercedes chassis and, quite honestly, unneeded. A stiffer sway bar is about it. My Navion handles very well in wind and I donít notice passing trucks. If weather conditions are so bad that they are pushing your trailer into the other lane or blowing off your wipers, why arenít you parked?
Not parked due to being caught in the left hand lane, and due to the heavy rain, no way to check visually the right lane. Storm blew up almost instantly...This was the one which destroyed so many homes in West Virginia a couple years ago.

As to pushing trailer out of lane, this was a blizzard in Wyoming, sleet on the road and no place to safely be stopped on the Interstate. I ended up leading about four semiís at 35 mph into Laramie.

All my driving decisions are based upon the safest way and being stopped on the Interstate system is why the multiple vehicle accidents occur. After way over 100,000 miles of Moho and trailer towing, I have experienced some rather nasty weather changes, not predicted on the NOAA radio.

I do agree, when conditions are predictable and not safe, I am one of the first to get into a rest area or other safe haven.
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