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Old 07-02-2018, 11:11 PM   #1
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20FQ Questions

I'm just about to take delivery on a 2015 Creekside 20FQ, and I had a couple of questions. Also, first time RV owner here.

First, what are these rigs going for these days? The amount my bank will loan me and what the dealership will let the RV go for don't agree.

Second, I have a tow capacity question. I own a 2011 Toyota Tacoma TRD Offroad truck with a 4.0 L V6. It's towing capacity is listed as 6500 # and its payload capacity of 1650. By my math it ought to be fine, but just wanted to solicit some opinions. I know it isn't going to scream over mountain passes, but as long as I make it, that's fine.

As far as capacity, 1650 - 485 tongue weight - 500 for 2 people and a dog leaves us about 665 lbs for odds and ends. As far as pulling capacity thats the 6500 - 4975 dry weight - 550 for water and tanks gives me about 975 for our shi-tuff.

Thanks for the help,
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Old 07-02-2018, 11:37 PM   #2
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1st). Low Retail $11,900/Avg Retail $14,500


2nd) 2011 Toy...1650# payload
1200-1500# camping stuff is normal (food/clothes/linens/supplies/chairs/etc etc etc
So trailer weight ie: tongue weight goes UP....instead of 485# (Dry weight) it ends up being closer to 700#


Trailer is going to REALLY task that TOY
Caution: Exceeding RAWR/Rear Tire Max Load Ratings on TOY
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:28 AM   #3
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Tacos are famous for being under sprung. Lots of aftermarket rear springs that will add some stiffness to the rear end. That said I would seriously think about renting a similar size trailer before you buy. I am generally pretty lax about truck capacities but I think you will find the Taco is not the right truck for that size trailer.
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:46 AM   #4
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Our first real camping rig was a 2009 Taco with the V6 pulling a light-weight, but full height trailer, about 4000#.

When crossing the prairies against a strong headwind it was painful. Spent a couple of days hi-revving and shifting between 3rd and 4th gears. A few more gears and more HP would have been helpful.

It was less of an issue in the mountains as the going up parts didn't last as long and eventually led to the going down parts.

We were also over-loaded all the time as our truck had a much lower payload than yours, and we carry along the kitchen sink.

But we were having so much fun, we decided to do even more RVing, so eventually moved up to a full 1/2 ton truck, then leap-frogged up to a bigger trailer which over-loaded the 1/2 ton, and finally got an even bigger 3/4 ton truck. But that's the end of it!

Good luck!
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:43 PM   #5
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I have seen other posters here that claim their 20FQ tongue weight has climbed OVER 1000 lbs with just their basic gear and water. I'm guessing the fresh water tank must be located pretty far forward.
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Old 07-03-2018, 04:01 PM   #6
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I am definitely not the weight police, but I do think handling and driving characteristics are of prime importance. Our F150 weighs about the same as our 20fq loaded for a trip(about 6500 lbs each) and I would not want to tow that trailer with a smaller truck. Crosswinds and each passing big rig would make your combo a very uncomfortable experience. Good luck whatever you decide.
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Old 07-03-2018, 04:06 PM   #7
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The weight police might be correct on this one.
Check the number out for yourself.

Also, WIND is a big factor. I just drove from Atlanta to Amarillo.
I didn't have a problem with my set up BUT I could see that the RPMs went up - near 3,000 and some higher and the MPG down. I don't drive more then 63 mph.

Wind may be the real issue.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:29 PM   #8
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I just bought a 2019 20FQ and took it to the scales with MAX load meaning, full of water, bikes, paddle boards, grill, generator,and all gear, cloths, food and everything. I normally would not carry this much gear. It was 6500 pounds with 78 gallons in the tank.

Tongue weight was 1060 with two 6 volt batteries and two full 30 pound propane tanks.

Your payload is similar to mine, I tow with a chevy silverado and can hold speed going up the highest mountain passes in the lower 48. I think you will be fine. I wouldn't want to carry a full load of water all the time for long distance but I don't do that with my bigger truck either.

There is a guy on the FB page that towed his 20FQ thousands of miles cross country with a Chevy colorado, similar to the tacoma. Your truck won't win any races but it will get you there.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:53 PM   #9
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2017 20FQ Tongue Weight

Thought I'd jump on here and share my Tongue Weight as it surprised me at 1100 lbs. Here's configuration @ Full water 78 gals, Full propane 2ea 30 tanks, 1/3 Grey and Black tanks, 4 ea 6v Interstate Deep Cycle batteries, 1ea 160W solar panel. (Dealer installed BlueOx weight distribution system, batteries and solar panel.)

Looking to upgrade my installed undersized BlueOx SwayPro 750lb spring bars to 1500lb bars via dealer replacement. Best I can guess is dealer miscalculated weight distribution spring bars required probably due to added battery bank weight.

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Loaded we are about the same. Im not sure if 1500lbs bars are the answer, that will put a lot of pressure on the trailer axles. What about when you don't travel with full water tanks? That's over 600 lbs. I will try to fill closer to camp when possible, that's a lot of water to tow.

Not sure what my tongue weight is with no water but I'm willing to bet it's a lot less. Loaded with water and trailer, my 1000lbs bars bring my front end 3/4 way back to normal which is what you want.

Another thing to consider is people often go with less WDH if they travel dirt roads often. Is that your style of camping? It is for me. With that said, you could always disconnect the WDH once u reach a dirt road.

Also, how does yours drive with the 750 bars? Does the front end come down like it's supposed to? Will you be traveling with full water often and for long distances? These are things to consider before moving up to 1500lbs. That might be over kill most of the time. Just something to think about.
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1000 lb bars

Thanks for response...S037474

I think I'll reconsider and seek 1000 lb bars verses 1500 lb bars as I went to the extreme trying get max possible tongue weight BUT almost never travel with full water. My 1100 lb tongue weight can easily be reduced to 1000 lb or less via water management (less 12.5 gal+ of water). I can feel a lightness on truck front end steering using the 750 lb bars and normal 1/4 tank water and a touch of induced trailer sway when be passed by Semi-trucks on freeway, although TV/TT combo unit appears to be level. I know I need more than 750 bars and agree 1500 is overkill so best compromise may be 1000 lb bars.

Any other ideas what effects 1500 bars would have over 1000 lb bars? Maybe I'll text BlueOx Customer Service and ask..!

Thanks again for your response...

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Old 07-06-2018, 11:11 PM   #12
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I agree. Truck is probably to small for your payload and towing capacity. Thanks for all the info on tongue weight on the 20fq. When I bought mine I was thinking 750# bars. Bought it at Gibs RV and the tech said no 1000# is what we need.
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With a 1650 payload and tongue weight nearing 1000 it really means you need a bigger truck. No you won't be able to get over mountain passes with and comfort or any safety margin. My first trip with the 20fq was around 3500 miles and over passes including Hwy 14E from Cedar City UT, Dallas Divide, and Monarch in CO. I had been thinking about a new Ford F250 gasser but after that knew I wanted the 6.7 diesel.
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250 just to pull a 7000lb trailer will work but let's be real, it's way over kill. My 1500 Chevy with a 5.3 pulls up the Colorado passes (I live here) with my 7k pig behind it at the speed limit. What more do you need? The ecoboost would pull even better! I have zero issues with sway or braking.
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