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Old 10-10-2018, 01:18 PM   #1
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Can you check my math?

Hi everyone,

Sorry for another post about "can my truck tow this?", but I'm really trying exercise due diligence and make sure my husband and I are going to make the safest choice for our first TT which we really want to be the Timber Ridge 23DBS.

Here's what we've got:

2018 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost Supercrew 4x4 w/ Max Tow pkg 36g Fuel tank 145" WB
Per the Ford Fleet Towing Guide PDF:
GCWR - 18,100; Max Loaded Trailer Weight - 12,700
Per the door panel stickers:
GVWR - 7000; Payload - 1559; Front GAWR - 3525; Rear GAWR - 4050

I predict between my husband, myself, kids & gear, we'll add about 515 lbs to the weight of the truck.

I understand the 23DBS already starts off pretty heavy compared to other TTs at 6350 dry with a tongue weight of 695. So if I add 108# for propane and maybe 100# for batteries, I think our payload should be about 1,418. What else am I not thinking of? Are we cutting it too close to our capacity? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Donít forget about fuel in the truck and gear in the camper. Propane was already figured into my dry trailer weight, batteries were not.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:21 PM   #3
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I believe the payload # assumes a full tank of gas. But there's the hitch weight, everything in in the trailer pass-thru and under the bed, and I suspect your estimate for gear in the truck is low.

So you will prolly be over your GVWR (payload) and rear GAWR.

Our 2011 F150 had 2050# payload and the same rear GAWR as you. With our 240RKS, we came just under the payload but were always over the rear GAWR by several hundred pounds.

It worked for several years after I upgraded the tires and suspension, but eventually we got the RAM 2500.

You will want a very good anti-sway WDH.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:34 PM   #4
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Hi everyone,

Sorry for another post about "can my truck tow this?", but I'm really trying exercise due diligence and make sure my husband and I are going to make the safest choice for our first TT which we really want to be the Timber Ridge 23DBS.

Here's what we've got:

2018 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost Supercrew 4x4 w/ Max Tow pkg 36g Fuel tank 145" WB
Per the Ford Fleet Towing Guide PDF:
GCWR - 18,100; Max Loaded Trailer Weight - 12,700
Per the door panel stickers:
GVWR - 7000; Payload - 1559; Front GAWR - 3525; Rear GAWR - 4050

I predict between my husband, myself, kids & gear, we'll add about 515 lbs to the weight of the truck.

I understand the 23DBS already starts off pretty heavy compared to other TTs at 6350 dry with a tongue weight of 695. So if I add 108# for propane and maybe 100# for batteries, I think our payload should be about 1,418. What else am I not thinking of? Are we cutting it too close to our capacity? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
One of the things you are not thinking about when it comes to tongue weight is it really only applies to a dead weight on the hitch ball. When using a weight distribution hitch much of the 'tongue weight' is redistributed OFF the truck's rear axle and on to both the truck's front axle and trailer axles hence its name - it distributes weight. How much lift is applied to the weight distribution hitch and where cargo is placed will also impact measured axle weights. Any given number boils down to where the cargo is placed and how the hitch is set up. 700 pounds of cargo for example can be spread out in my different configurations. So the only way to know how much effect the redistributed tongue weight is on the truck's rear axle is to load up your truck and trailer with what you'll typically be carrying and weigh each axle on a scale. Hard to do when you don't own the trailer though. For an F150 Ĺ ton my opinion is that trailer is to heavy for the truck. Yes it can pull it but should you.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:49 PM   #5
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Our signature trailer is close to yours. We added solar panels and inverter and modified the hitch to match the truck. By the time we were done, the hitch weighed almost 1500 lb. That's too much weight for any 1/2 ton truck.


The ORV trailers are tremendously heavy on the hitch. Our trailer is very, very, very heavy on the hitch. Then the 60 gallon fresh water tank is ahead of the trailer axles, so that adds to the hitch weight. The factory stated 695 lb hitch weight is bogus. By the time everything is added up, it's way over double that. Our factory stated hitch weight is 550 lb. Today our actual hitch weight is about 1500 lb.


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GVWR - 7000; Payload - 1559; Front GAWR - 3525; Rear GAWR - 4050

I predict between my husband, myself, kids & gear, we'll add about 515 lbs to the weight of the truck.

I understand the 23DBS already starts off pretty heavy compared to other TTs at 6350 dry with a tongue weight of 695. So if I add 108# for propane and maybe 100# for batteries, I think our payload should be about 1,418. What else am I not thinking of? Are we cutting it too close to our capacity? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Payload includes all fluids and a 150 pound driver.

To me the simplest number to understand where you are is payload. You are missing what you will put in the trailer - water, food, weight distribution hitch

695 Tongue dry
108 propane
100 batteries
100 weight distribution hitch
150 Tongue wet
600 add to PU - Includes, tools, people,

1753 total payload??????

Whatever way you cut it you are close.

Are you full timing or just vacationing?
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:36 PM   #7
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Payload seems low for a Max Tow. Especially since Ford went to the aluminum bodies in 15. My 2010 Max Tow XLT 145" Screw had 1857. I though Max Tow in an 18 should be closer to 1900-2,000 lbs/
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Thank you all for your prompt replies! It sounds like we're going to have to go another route and wait until we upgrade our truck in a few years. It's such a bummer, but hopefully we can find something as good as an ORV for our first TT.
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Hold on! I have that trailer and pulled it safely with a 2008 Toyota Tundra, which doesn’t have as high a payload as your truck. I did get tired of the truck constantly downshifting at every hill and the small fuel tank so I did get a Ram 2500 when it was time to replace my truck. I had a good weight distribution hitch and it did fine. I pulled it to Canada and back and never felt unsafe. I did put on e rated truck tires instead of the p rated tires it came with. Too bad your in southern Cal, I would let you hook up my trailer and see how it feels. If your ever up near Salem Oregon and want to try it let me know. The water tank is over the axles on this model not in the front.
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Iím wondering what folks would suggest you can actually tow with a brand new F150 with the tow max package? I can tell you-I pulled my 27bhs with a 2016 Ram 1500 when my truck was down. Was it working the truck? You bet. Did the truck squat? You bet. Did the truck handle Warm Lake Summit fine going up AND down? Yep. Trailer with 2 batteries, full propane and water. Probably around 8200 with all our crap in it. Iím not looking for an argument but it just seems like the common attitude for ORV trailers is ď3/4 ton or bustĒí! Would I full time it in a little Dodge 1500? No. But I sure would use that truck or your f150 because Iím not full timing it.
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Nick, full timing or not, what would you consider too heavy for their truck?
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it just seems like the common attitude for ORV trailers is “3/4 ton or bust”’! Would I full time it in a little Dodge 1500? No. But I sure would use that truck or your f150 because I’m not full timing it.
Many of us started with 1/2 tons. But then upped to 3/4 or 1 tons when we could. We went 3.5 years with our F150, but when the power train warranty expired I traded it in on a 3/4 ton.

These trailers really do have high tongue weights. So it all boils down to how comfortable you are with exceeding the manufacturers GVWR and GAWR. And for how long.
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Iíd tow whatever I was comfortable with. And I think fellow owners that have 3/4 ton or larger that upgraded should include that they did in fact tow with a 1/2 ton. Sounds like she is being smart about weight but the whole ďit can tow it but not safely argumentĒ is old. The guy towed the trailer with an 08 Tundra and said it was fine-not everyone has 45k to go buy a 3/4 ton. And if an f150 rated for 12k was getting close to the limit with a 23í trailer an owner should feel hoodwinked. I can respect everyoneís view on what can and canít be towed with a truck but the doom and gloom stories about towing with a 1/2 ton are overblown and not necessary. Iíve seen idiots with 3/4 Cummins that got in accidents while Iíve passed in a 1/2 ton towing my trailer. There is a lot to be said for intelligent driving and actually paying attention while driving.
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It's an old argument both ways but going with your criteria, what is "comfortable" for the person who started the thread?
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