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10-18-2017, 11:28 AM
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Flat Tires?
We regularly take our ORV trailers into camp sites others only dream about or see in advertisements. However to get there, we usually drive down some gravel roads. Well, I've driven over a lot of gravel in BC,NWT, Australia and Namibia. On the Aus and Namibia travel forums there are many tales of flat tires from gravel roads. I didn't get it. I've had five flats in 50 years. Three were on a 20 year old tent trailer, I think they were the originals, so we can discount those. The other two were factory installed 4plys , yeah, I know they are not 4plys but that is what we use to call them. I've helped change three other tires, all factory installed. See the pattern ? So if your TV is an SUV with original tires I think you need to visit Les or Kal.
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10-19-2017, 07:38 AM
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Like you I tend to travel off the beaten path and like to find out of the way camping spots. Those spots are usually found down some gravel road. I have found that certain types of gravel can cause flats. There is an area in NE Oregon where they use larger crushed granite on the forest service roads and I have gotten a flat there on my pickup, my trailer, and my Honda quad. All on different trips. The trailer tires seem to be the weakest and most susceptible. I have given serious thought to replacing the ST tires with LT tires to see if that would help.
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10-19-2017, 11:16 AM
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Ah yes , west coast logging roads blasted out of granite. One of my flats was a shard of that I picked up in the West Chilcoltin , repaired in Bella Coola. The shale of the Rockies is also feared but I've never had a flat from it.
When I changed from 3500# to 5200# axels , I also went with 16" LT load range "E" (10ply). Oddly enough, I think they might be cost effective as well. With a trip to Arizona and another one to Newfoundland, plus camping trips in the province, they are showing no wear.
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10-19-2017, 12:23 PM
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Try logging roads with a dually, nothing is better than having a small boulder stuck between the rear tires! Air down remove rock and hope they re-inflate.
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10-19-2017, 09:44 PM
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If your ever in Alaska, the "Haul Road" (Dalton Hwy) from Fairbanks to Prudhoe Bay. Very "sharp" gravel. They say take 2 rimmed spares.
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10-19-2017, 10:52 PM
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Was working in the Yukon in 2004 and encountered a couple that had just came off the Dempster highway from Inuvik. Asked him how far it was to Inuvik. He said 3 tires and a windshield. He hadn’t noticed the missing storage doors on his TT yet. There are lots of rugged roads out there that will take you into the back country, just have to go looking for them. Many people consider it part of the cost of getting to secluded locations.
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10-21-2017, 10:52 AM
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I am fairly new to the "drag and drop" RV lifestyle as we have just completed our first TT year on mainly paved roads with OEM 15" "D" rated tires. No problems so far. In our past life, hauling a 4000" TC over pretty rough roads from NWT to the Baja, switching over to the 19.5" load range "H" 16ply rated medium truck tires from "E" LT tires made all the difference in the world. No issues at all no matter what the road surface. Still working on our 3rd set.
So using this logic for the TT, upgrading to a higher rated "E" rated , more plies, greater carrying capacity, higher tire pressure LT tire makes all the sense in the world and as someone has already pointed out, cost effective if you figure in a tire failure at high speed resulting in severe damage or worse if using a marginal, ST tire for towing your TT.
Dave
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10-21-2017, 01:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crosscheck
I am fairly new to the "drag and drop" RV lifestyle as we have just completed our first TT year on mainly paved roads with OEM 15" "D" rated tires. No problems so far. In our past life, hauling a 4000" TC over pretty rough roads from NWT to the Baja, switching over to the 19.5" load range "H" 16ply rated medium truck tires from "E" LT tires made all the difference in the world. No issues at all no matter what the road surface. Still working on our 3rd set.
So using this logic for the TT, upgrading to a higher rated "E" rated , more plies, greater carrying capacity, higher tire pressure LT tire makes all the sense in the world and as someone has already pointed out, cost effective if you figure in a tire failure at high speed resulting in severe damage or worse if using a marginal, ST tire for towing your TT.
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Dave, some folks go with LT tires on their trailers and think it is a good plan. I have read a few “experts,” mostly guys from the tire industry, that say it is not recommended. The reasoning is that trailer tires experience more side loads through twisting actions as you turn sharply, especially backing up, and LT tires are not designed for that type of abuse. This is on trailers with dual axles obviously. As for me I am undecided as to which way to go. I probably have a year or two before I need new tires, but if I keep replacing them because of rocks cutting the sidewalls then I am probably money ahead to just get load range E LT tires. I can’t imagine I would damage a load range E tire from tight turning on my trailer which is probably only putting 7500 pounds max on the axles but I’m not an expert. Then again experts aren’t always right.
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10-21-2017, 03:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Off Road
Then again experts aren’t always right.
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No experts are not always right but far more of them know a lot more than the wanna-be experts.
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10-21-2017, 03:17 PM
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If LT tires are less capable at handling side wall "twisting" like a trailer might see, I would think they are less capable at handling side wall punctures on rough gravel roads.
I don't have any experience on rough western gravel roads, but an ST-E rated trailer tire (not the the standard ST-D tire) might be the better than an LT-E. ST-Es can also have a higher load carrying capacity than LT-Es of approx. the same size.
Maxxis, Marathon Endurance, Carlisle Radial HD are all available in an ST-E tire.
A lot of the anti-ST tire sentiment is based on older ST-D tires, bad trailer design (overloaded tires), and poor tire pressure monitoring back when nobody had a trailer TPMS.
I may be wrong, but I suspect the newer ST-Es and more common TPMS will change all that.
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10-21-2017, 03:28 PM
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^ I would agree with you for no other reason than it makes sense.
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10-21-2017, 09:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 60sumtin
No experts are not always right but far more of them know a lot more than the wanna-be experts.
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That is a truism for sure and never more true than on the interwebs where, "experts" abound. This is why I hesitate to go with the LT tires.
On the other hand it doesn't take an expert to look at an LT all terrain tire with beefed up sidewalls to know that it would be more resistant to a sidewall puncture from a rock than a similar load rated ST tire. In any case I would never recommend going with a tire that does not have some excess capacity in the load carrying department.
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10-21-2017, 09:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crosscheck
I am fairly new to the "drag and drop" RV lifestyle as we have just completed our first TT year on mainly paved roads with OEM 15" "D" rated tires. No problems so far. In our past life, hauling a 4000" TC over pretty rough roads from NWT to the Baja, switching over to the 19.5" load range "H" 16ply rated medium truck tires from "E" LT tires made all the difference in the world. No issues at all no matter what the road surface. Still working on our 3rd set.
So using this logic for the TT, upgrading to a higher rated "E" rated , more plies, greater carrying capacity, higher tire pressure LT tire makes all the sense in the world and as someone has already pointed out, cost effective if you figure in a tire failure at high speed resulting in severe damage or worse if using a marginal, ST tire for towing your TT.
Dave
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Should be "if using a marginal ST tire for your TT."
Dave
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10-21-2017, 10:15 PM
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Interesting read from a tire trade magazine. A couple of years old but still some good info.
ST tires: All-steel radial construction is meeting the demand for more carrying capacity - Retail - Modern Tire Dealer
A lot of people don't head the experts if it doesn't agree with their wallet. We run into the same problem with run flat tires. We refuse to patch them in our shop as it is a poor practice ( no issues patching a regular tire), people are constantly searching for a shop that will patch them ( yes there are unscrupulous repair shops out there). They are happy that their wallet didn't take a big hit, call us unscrupulous and all the while not realizing the potential danger that they are putting themselves and others in.
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