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Old 08-15-2019, 06:35 PM   #57
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"Unfortunately, there seems to be a general consensus, especially from the ORV owners club kool-aid drinking folks, that these issues are acceptable and shouldn't really make me upset. "

Ever thought it might be your caustic, insulting attitude that turns people off?
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"Unfortunately, there seems to be a general consensus, especially from the ORV owners club kool-aid drinking folks, that these issues are acceptable and shouldn't really make me upset. "

Ever thought it might be your caustic, insulting attitude that turns people off?
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:19 PM   #59
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:12 PM   #60
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:42 AM   #61
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Is this acceptable to any of you?

I was hoping that the pic could be enlarged on your PC's The issue besides the ugly rolled edge is at the front of the TT. It bulges out about 3/4" from just behind the awning to the front cap.
Ours has a few of those on each side. They've been there since I took delivery in January 2017.

My view is that as long as the EPDM is tucked into the moulding well, I am not going to worry about it. Perhaps heat affects these areas more than others.

EPDM is not supposed to be stretched at all during application. If the installers did that, that could be another cause.

Of more concern is the leading edge that is under the front cap. As long as that is sealed and tight, I'm good with it.

I recently returned from the desert and saw a fifth wheel with a giant balloon on the front cap roof area. Clearly the air from towing got under that and is tearing the EPDM off the trailer. THAT is a problem.

I guess it boils down to our tolerance for details. Mine is increasing as I get older.

PS: I don't drink anyone's kool-aid.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:28 AM   #62
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"Unfortunately, there seems to be a general consensus, especially from the ORV owners club kool-aid drinking folks, that these issues are acceptable and shouldn't really make me upset. "

Ever thought it might be your caustic, insulting attitude that turns people off?
Other than the obvious fact that this particular reply is a troll attempt, I'd really recommend you meet me in person. Then you can make an honest judgement on my actual causticity. You'd be pleasantly surprised.
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Other than the obvious fact that this particular reply is a troll attempt, I'd really recommend you meet me in person. Then you can make an honest judgement on my actual causticity. You'd be pleasantly surprised.
Not a troll attempt. I am not even sure what that is, but you are right, I would be surprised if you are anything other than what you portray here. I have no desire to meet you in person. Life is too short to spend it with people that view the glass half empty. I am done with this thread.
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Here are some better pics of my roof. The offset is about 3/4". The dip is about 1/2"
so from about 2' behind the awing the roof suddenly is offset outward 3/4" and from the start of the offset to the front cap it has a 1/2" belly. Theres also what looks like part of a rafter sticking of on the roof edge. The EPDM is stretched pretty tight at that spot.
You can also see how the awning bows out. That obviously shows that the wall is bowed out as well. Nothing is loose or separated, it was simply built this way.

On the opposite side of the trailer theres a vertical bump out almost directly across from the start of the offset. If you put a straight edge on it you can rock each end or the straight edge. The bump out is worse at the gutter and while sighting down the gutter line you can see the bow out. It sticks out the most at the gutter edge and fades away about 16" down the wall. Ironically the roof edge is straight on that side, but since the gutter is fastened to the wall it sticks out. Almost like a rafter was cut too long.
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Ours has a few of those on each side. They've been there since I took delivery in January 2017.

My view is that as long as the EPDM is tucked into the moulding well, I am not going to worry about it. Perhaps heat affects these areas more than others.

EPDM is not supposed to be stretched at all during application. If the installers did that, that could be another cause.

Of more concern is the leading edge that is under the front cap. As long as that is sealed and tight, I'm good with it.

I recently returned from the desert and saw a fifth wheel with a giant balloon on the front cap roof area. Clearly the air from towing got under that and is tearing the EPDM off the trailer. THAT is a problem.

I guess it boils down to our tolerance for details. Mine is increasing as I get older.

PS: I don't drink anyone's kool-aid.

I'm retired active military so I have little tolerance for missed details. Stay away from that kool-aid!
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Not a troll attempt. I am not even sure what that is, but you are right, I would be surprised if you are anything other than what you portray here. I have no desire to meet you in person. Life is too short to spend it with people that view the glass half empty. I am done with this thread.
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In the future, when/if we ever buy another trailer the salesman is going to hate our PDI,LOL. We got all the time we want to go over the thing before we buy it. If I had gone over mine better I would have passed on mine and still bought a ORV trailer. Still love the trailer, I can fix the little stuff probably better than the dealer does. But I shouldn't have to. Besides all my short trips, I take a long one every year to the Pac Nor west, 3K miles. Never had one thing fail on any trip. Please pass the cool aid.
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In the future, when/if we ever buy another trailer the salesman is going to hate our PDI,LOL. We got all the time we want to go over the thing before we buy it. If I had gone over mine better I would have passed on mine and still bought a ORV trailer. Still love the trailer, I can fix the little stuff probably better than the dealer does. But I shouldn't have to. Besides all my short trips, I take a long one every year to the Pac Nor west, 3K miles. Never had one thing fail on any trip. Please pass the cool aid.
x2. We never saw ours until we did the PDI. It had to be delivered and didn't arrive until the day before PDI. I would've loved to be able to walk the dealers lot for one but they had none on the lot. Looked at other models that we could've bought on site. But really wanted the 25RDS. We had been in some at RV shows so we were 100% familiar with the layout.
I too would've passed on this one had I caught more issues before hand like the roof. Although some didn't show up until after several trips as some of it's out of your control. Not a big fan of Apache's PDI. They did a great job on installing the Blue Ox and thats about it. My wife and I tagged teamed the tech guy during PDI but still missed some key items.
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x2. We never saw ours until we did the PDI. It had to be delivered and didn't arrive until the day before PDI. I would've loved to be able to walk the dealers lot for one but they had none on the lot. Looked at other models that we could've bought on site. But really wanted the 25RDS. We had been in some at RV shows so we were 100% familiar with the layout.
I too would've passed on this one had I caught more issues before hand like the roof. Although some didn't show up until after several trips as some of it's out of your control. Not a big fan of Apache's PDI. They did a great job on installing the Blue Ox and thats about it. My wife and I tagged teamed the tech guy during PDI but still missed some key items.
Such is the life of owing an RV.
Curious minds need to know as to why it had to be delivered?
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In the future, when/if we ever buy another trailer the salesman is going to hate our PDI,LOL. We got all the time we want to go over the thing before we buy it. If I had gone over mine better I would have passed on mine and still bought a ORV trailer. Still love the trailer, I can fix the little stuff probably better than the dealer does. But I shouldn't have to. Besides all my short trips, I take a long one every year to the Pac Nor west, 3K miles. Never had one thing fail on any trip. Please pass the cool aid.
Going beyond all the flames here, your statement that you "should have to" is exactly the point I'm trying to make. You paid a lot of money for your ORV and they're advertised as mountain tough so my expectation is, at the very least, that it lives up to that for at least the trip from the dealer to home. Mine, unfortunately, did not and that leaves an extremely sour taste in my mouth.
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