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Old 02-08-2011, 10:21 AM   #29
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How about the farting cattle being a problem. Thank goodness people don't. How about Freon causing a hole in the ozone layer. Freon is heavier than air. It just so happened that Duponts patent on R12 was running out. What a coincidence ! What we are leaving for our grandchildren is a poorer way of life. They will not be able to enjoy what we have because the simple luxuries, such as air conditioning, will be too expensive for the average person.
And for all the global warming hypocrites that have RV's. For shame !!!!
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Here we go again. This is one of those polarizing topics that will always be discussed with an "our opinion is correct" attitude. The problem with one side being proven true (over the other) is the way the science can be twisted. For example, the CC crowd blames the cold and snowy winter on global warming, and the Anti CC crowd counters with flawed science namely the test weather stations locations not being representative sample. Me, I believe it's all about money.
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I really don't care one way or the other in this argument as at one time I was a scare monger too. It was suddenly evident, at least to me, with the little science background that I have, that when someone or some group of scientists start proclaiming 'the time for scientific debate is over' (Scientific Debate Is Never Over) then to me it was evidence to start looking for flaws in their arguments and to start following the money.
Scientists invoking the possibility of this being normal climatic cycling suddenly having their funding cut; thousands of e-mails from the holy grail site of Global Warming all deciding on how to cook the numbers to make things look worse than they are; others.
Then one starts following the money. Try it and suddenly maybe, just maybe you'll be on the fence too. I have gone from positive we were causing this to why should this be costing me that much money and to what effect?
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My point, better stated. Thanks Possum.
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Its been debunked... period.
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Old 02-09-2011, 02:10 PM   #34
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The least believable argument is that temperature has nothing to do with climate or that the 'naysayers' confuse temperature with climate. Temperature is a major factor in climate; if you doubt that just imagine how climatologists would be describing our climate if the temp stayed at 50% F around the world for a six month period.

It's kind of like saying the amount of money you have does not affect your financial status.
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Let it snow>let snow>let it snow.... Just got to lov it Camp in the summer / ski in the winter. Here in NE. Ohio we have not seen the ground since Dec 1st.....and well below average temps....
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GLOBAL WARMING

The Washington Post

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in
some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a
report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at
Bergen , Norway . Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers
all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto
unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions
report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees
29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf
stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by
moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many
points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic ,
while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before
ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing
grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt
the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 88 years ago!


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I remember a discussion in a science class, long before there were environmental terrorists, where the instructor stated that, "...any one of the dozens of active volcanoes around the world will spew more polutants into the atmosphere in a year than mankind has in all of know history. Then we go on to discuss the sun spot cycles, the ever changing tilt of the earth axis, and so on...

I like to ask my very liberal friends, "so, what caused the mile of ice that used to cover our property to melt?" "What caused that mile high pile of ice to replace the warm seas that predated them?" "What caused..."

You get the idea.
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Didn't know I'd start such a Tsunami of Climatology

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I remember a discussion in a science class, long before there were environmental terrorists, where the instructor stated that, "...any one of the dozens of active volcanoes around the world will spew more polutants into the atmosphere in a year than mankind has in all of know history. Then we go on to discuss the sun spot cycles, the ever changing tilt of the earth axis, and so on...

I like to ask my very liberal friends, "so, what caused the mile of ice that used to cover our property to melt?" "What caused that mile high pile of ice to replace the warm seas that predated them?" "What caused..."

You get the idea.

Yes I get the idea -- that many of you don't understand the man made climate change issue. No one disputes that there are natural causes for climate changes like volcanoes etc. The whole discussion is can man's actions adversely change the climate in a very serious manner and if so should those actions be controlled - much like keeping the rivers and air clean by controlling man's harmful actions, which many of you are probably also against, unless of course it flows directly on to your personal property!
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The whole discussion is can man's actions adversely change the climate in a very serious manner......
There's the issue, and as you're discovering, not all of us drink the same kool-aid.

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Why is it that only the CC advocates "understand" the issue. Perhaps it's the other way!
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