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Old 07-26-2010, 10:53 AM   #1
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SAILORS and MARINES

Being a sailor I do not normally have many good things to say about Marines but, since they are part of My Navy I feel I should ''give the devil his due'' and say some good things about our Marines.


I was stationed on the USS North Hampton for about 30 months. On the ''Norton'' we had a detachment of Marines and I got to know several of them on kind of a personal basis. Generally speaking I found them to be pretty much ''regular guys'' once you got past all the ''Ohhhhhh Rahhhhaa'' stuff. They seemed to be of average intelligence in that most of them could feed themselves with a fork without losing an eye. They could actually ''walk'' without marching in cadence and several of them had a vocabulary of several hundred words not counting ''Kill, Kill, Kill or Semper Fi '' or ''Yes Sargent'' and of course ''United States Marine Corps''.
Their primary duty on the Norton was guarding stuff and they did a dynamite job of ''guarding''. The following Navy people had their own personal ''guard'' that followed them around on the Norton and guarded their door while they slept. Our captain and executive officer, the admiral, chief of staff and probably a couple of more high ranking Navy people. Each had their ''Marine'' with his knight stick, and unloaded 45 pistol. To my knowledge this was the most honored duty you could have as a Marine on the Norton and they were very ''diligent'' about this duty...... Never once did I see them lose one of our officers.
Further down the ''chain of important stuff'' was ''gang way guard''. This is a Marine that guards the access ramp up to the Norton. When we were in port there was always an ''armed guard'' guarding the ''gangway'' to the Norton and Never did I even hear of some one even attempting to steal our gangway. Of course this ''gangway'' weighed in at about a ton and it was usually in two or three sections and it took a crane to put it in place but no one ever took it.


Next down the latter of importance was probably ''brig guard''. This was a real treat for Marines because they could be in charge of sailors that had gone and got in trouble and got themselves tossed in the brig. They got to yell at sailors and make them chip paint and polish brass for punishment but they didnt realize that this is what some sailors do anyhow.


Probably lowest on the ''important stuff'' for a Marine was ''chow line guard''. I never did exactly figure out what the Marine chow line guard was exactly suppose to do but they must have done a good job of it because I never seen a chow line get stolen or lost.


Marines got to do fun stuff like shoot their weapons. They would fall out on the fantail and shoot at the ocean. Most of them did real good and they could hit the ocean about every time they fired their weapons. They was real proud when no one shot anyone in the foot or dropped their rifle over the side of the Norton. I really wanted to fire one of the weapons but they would not let me. They said ''you aint no Marine sailor boy, so you aint qualified to shoot at the ocean''.... I guess they figured I might miss the ocean.....


The Marine Corps is part of My Navy. A Marine will tell you that it is the ''mens department'' of the Navy and shout that ''The Marine Corps Builds MEN'' and we kinda giggle and whisper that ''the Navy recruits Men''....... Since the inception of the Marine corps it should be understood that there has been a ''running argument'' between Sailors and Marines. Each, in turn will make reference to the other with disparaging references. Sailors are ...''Stinkin Squids, Swab Jockies, Anchor Clankers, Deck Apes and Marine Corps Rejects'' where as Marines are referred to as ''Jar Heads, Leather Necks, Seagoing Bell Hops and ''want to be Sailors''.
This is all in carrying on the legacy of the Navy and the Marine Corps. It has always been done and it will always be done so long as there is a Navy and a Marine Corps but remember this. In a street fight I will take a Marine watching my back in a heart beat. When you hear or read about a Sailor and a Marine arguing or discussing boldly any subject and it looks like they are having a difference of opinion and about to come to blows you are wrong. This is part of the tradition of the Navy and the Marine Corps and they each truly mean no harm or insult to the other. But understand this.......... If a person deliberately(on purpose) picks on our Marines and us Sailors hear about it we will become (be) very distraught (mad) and take repercussions (action) against such perpetrators (bad folks) as necessary(done) because we need our Marines to guard our stuff......
note..... the words in parentheses (little roundie things) are for any Marine that may read this entry.....
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:16 PM   #2
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Seajay, Thanks for the kind words about our US Marine Corps!
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Just a few quotes - Tradition is strong in the US Marine Corps (1961-1965) Semper Fi
Ten quotations about U.S. Marines:

The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines. Lord, how they could fight!
MGen. Frank E. Lowe, USA; Korea, 26 January 1952

Marines know how to use their bayonets. Army bayonets may as well be paper-weights.
Navy Times; November 1994
Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines.
Gen. John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, USA; 12 February 1918
The United States Marine Corps, with its fiercely proud tradition of excellence in combat, its hallowed rituals, and its unbending code of honor, is part of the fabric of American legend.
Thomas E. Ricks; Making the Corps, 1997
The raising of that flag on Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the next five hundred years.
James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy; 23 February 1945 referencing the flag-raising on Iwo Jima had been immortalized in a photograph by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosentha
I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world!
Gen. Douglas MacArthur, USA; Korea, 21 September 1950
We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?
Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff; during the assault on Grenada, 1983
Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem.
Ronald Reagan, U.S. President; 1985
Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995 They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake."
Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991
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Thanks for the kind words Seajay.

An important fact that is worth mentioning is that when Marines are in Battle and we take a hit it's the Navy Corpman who patches us back up and saves our lives. Pity the idiot who ever even appears to harm a Navy Corpman if a Marine is close by.

Also the Marines were founded in a Tavern by the Navy. They were chosen for their sharpshooting abilities. They would hang out up in the rigging and pick off the enemy in close ship contact.
I wanted to be a Sea Going bell Hop, but then in '61 you had to be 5'9" and I didn't make it. I have always loved the Battleships, would have gave a left thingee to serve on one. Even today as we travel, if there is a Battleship around to visit I'm on her.
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Awesome quotes Bob, I also served Sep 1961 - Jan 1966

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The Navy provided us with fire power from their big guns when I was on the ground near Chu Lai. When the Evac Hospitals were overwhelmed the Navy provided Hospital Ships. I've heard about but never saw the Navy Gunboats near the delta. The Air Force showed up with Phantoms when we were pinned down allowing us to escape, then followed up with B-52s and PHOOF, No More Enemy (or jungle either). And those Marines..........I recall a small Army LRP unit surrounded by NVA near DaNang. A CH-46 arrives with M-60s blazing. They land in a hot LZ and dump a load of Marines. They secure a perimeter and a tougher then a tank Gunny with a John Wayne voice yells at us "C'mon GIRLS, time to go"!
No matter what your service if you "served" you "served" everyone.
And Seajay, thanks for not letting anyone forget.
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I would like to thank all of you for your service.
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:54 AM   #8
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Seajay,
I'm sorry I called you a pile of crap with a marshmallow on top. Those were "so kind" words you spoke of us Marines. I really liked the part about shooting at the ocean. You see, as a Marine I spent from August 1962 through August 1964 on the USS Eldorado as ships company. Now ships company is not to be confused with those "guards" Seajay was referring to. We were communicators, as good as the best and better than the rest. We certainly felt we were better than the "other" branch of service communicators, else why were we supervisors in the radio sections. But I digress.

You see, the navy would have firing exercises, where the sailors would get on the 40mm guns and shoot at 55 gallon drums they would drop over the side. The ship would steam around and the sailors would take turns trying to sink the 55 gallon drum. As the end of the exercise drew to a close, usually about 3-4 hours, they would announce on the MC1, "Marines, Topside, with arms." And we would scramble up to the deck with our M1's. The lead CPO would ask us to sink the barrels.

Enough said, except, thanks for the kind words Seajay.
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Heheh, when I was 'in country' in '65, I was a crewchief/door gunner on one of the first 'B' model Huey cobra gunships. We daily rescued Marine outposts from being overrun by the VC. Those Marines would never let us buy a drink and always escorted us safely back to our hooches.
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Not a joke - but a true story. Just a to set the scene. Our oldest is a very proud former Marine. And we ALWAYS thank srevice personal, as well as fire and police for their sevice. DW and I were at a local Cracker Barrell Restaurant here in Charleston, WV. A gentleman came walking towards me. I stopped him by saying: "You are a Marine, aren't you." Startled, he said yes. I Thanked him for his service. He said: "Retired-22 years." Then he asked how I knew. "By the way you walk and how you hold your hands." "Do you mean that 12 years out of the corps, and I still "cup" my hands?" I said.: "Yes - and I am glad to meet yu." You Marines will know what cupping the hands means. For everyone else, it means closing your hands with the thumbs pointing down along the outer trouser seam. Always remember: EVERY right you have was won by some service person on a battlefield. God bless the US
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Always remember: EVERY right you have was won by some service person on a battlefield. God bless the US

I sure wish I had said that first. I think this should be engraved on all our coins and emblazoned on our paper money because it is so true. FREEDOM AINT FREE.... It is and was paid for by some person that put their life on the line in the line of duty somewhere in the world and even here in the USA.

Veterans day is coming and I command everyone reading this to make it a point to THANK A VETERAN for your freedom. If you do not personally ''thank a veteran'' Wayne the Marine and Myself will personally fine you, hold you down and give you a ''pink belly'' and then I will let Wayne the Marine give you a big sloppie kiss ...... You wont like that .....

God bless our troops and bring them home safe and soon.....
God bless our vets ... ALL GAVE SOME ......SOME GAVE ALL
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And it will be FROM the backside!!!!
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LOL @ Wayne the Marine.....''Giv'um Hale Marine'' and I gotcha back........

God bless our vets ........ Each and every one.....
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Back in the late 1970s, while on the USCGC MUNRO (WHEC724) we used to stop in beautiful downtown Adak AK for fuel stops while out on fisheries patrol on the Boring Sea. The Marines welcomed us into their club there as they remembered that the ship was named after SM1 Douglas Munro, USCG who was killed in action on Guadacanal while directing a group of Higgens boats evacuating a squad of Marines and is the ONLY Coastguardsman to be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. We were, I believe, the only Cutter who had the backing of the Marines when fighting with the Navy.
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