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Old 03-07-2004, 05:17 AM   #1
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I'm unable to reply to the original topic due to a tech glich or some other reason and anyway it seems as though it may turn into another discussion that wont resolve anything. I think this section belongs to the CG owners to use as a vehicle of discussion.

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I'm unable to reply to the original topic due to a tech glich or some other reason and anyway it seems as though it may turn into another discussion that wont resolve anything. I think this section belongs to the CG owners to use as a vehicle of discussion.

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Captain Bud, I copied a topic that I started last year that may be worth rereading and is along the lines of discussion of late. It was called "Not enough campgrounds?" here is what I originally posted:

Our lifestyle of RVing and camping has become so popular since 911 and the "Go RVing" campaign are we running out of campground spaces we can park them at?

The sale of rv's has grown so much in the last couple years. The number of new campground spaces has not increased but may have decreased instead. I have seen two campgrounds in the Sevierville and Piegon Forge area be closed all year. One was Smoky Mountain Campground (200 sites) and the other Z Buda's Smokies Campground (239 sites). While I am sure the owners of the campground we have been staying at (Ripplin Waters) have not regretted these closings I have heard them turn away a lot of campers looking for a place to stay in this area for periods as long as a month (October). I have heard that all of the campgrounds in this county have been booked for October, months in advance due to everyone wanting to see the fall colors in the mountains.

My mom and dad went on a long trip this summer to PA and then out to Oregon and back to Tn, NC and Fl. Dad said there are not that many places to camp other than National parks out west. True there are campgrounds but not like there are east of the Mississippi River with the exception of the southern states like Texas, Az, and Ca.

I have been talking with the owners of this park and they say the cost of the land and the EPA regulations make it very difficult to build new campgrounds in areas that we want to visit with our families. The problem is you can build a multi level Motel or Condo and have a better return on the money invested in development. Too, with all the 50 amp and even 100 amp rigs coming out and our desire for internet access, owners of the older parks are wanting to sell rather than spend so much capital to upgrade the electrical systems and add Wye Fi internet access.

If everyone that has an RV wanted to go off for a long weekend and made reservations far in advance to get a site, not everyone would be able to go.

Since the "Go RVing" campaign is backed by the RVIA (manufacturers) and the RVDA (dealers) and RV sales are so high, what can we do to make sure we have a place to park in future years? Is there an association we can go to for help in this area?

Will privitization of the Federal Parks work?

Could companies like WalMart, or Cracker Barrel build campgrounds behind their facilities more economically (if land was available) than stand alone parks?

How much would you be willing to pay for: 30 amp, water and sewer
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I concur 100% with you views. Interestingly that you state that Walmart or Cracker Barrel put in Campsites next to their present facilities. That is very close to my statement of having the Walmarts charge.
In my local paper today in the finance section there was a column relating to the backlash of Walmart supercenters going in all over the country and their abandoning there old properties and stores. Maybe the RVers who advocate using this way of overniting could look into the cost of buying or leasing these properties and see how much it would cost and what would be the return on their investment.

My major point is this if we are losing CGs due to other ventures being more profitable, the situation will get worse if we continue free camping. I will make this statement, if a person uses that means of overniting on a planned basis,wether it be $1, $5, or whatever they will use Walmart. Now I said it and I'll probably be shut down or flamed or whatever.

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Before I reply anything more on this thread, I'd like to know the following.
Are you posting as a plain old member of IRV2 or are you also wearing your Moderator's hat. If it be the latter I have nothing to say....

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Boys the cheepes will always be there. I understand a person with family going from point a to b and having a LIMITED TIME TO GET THERE staying at one of these sites. I for one don't want him coming in the CG late at night bothering me. Some of these people will never pay.

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Old 03-25-2004, 02:47 PM   #7
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Well here goes, I use Cracker Barrel's. Not because I am cheap or any reason other than convenience. It usually goes something like this, I've been traveling to a destination and it is late 12 A.M. plus or minus an hour and I need to stop. I pull in, sleep till 5:30 take a shower, dump my grey (only kidding on that but I have seen it done) go inside and have breakfast and I am on my way by 6:45. This usually happens once a year on my way to Myrtle Beach in April. A long way to go and a short time to get there.

I would love it if campgrounds offered a flat level spot (parking lot) with nothing, for me to do the same at a campground and would gladly pay a minimal fee. But campgrounds don't seem to want to deal with travelers that need to travel late. And most campers don't want to hear me and my diesel at midnight.

As far as dumping I believe campgrounds should charge if someone just wants to dump and screw. And I also don't think it is right for people to be allowed to pull into these free spots when it is early enough to get a camp site. These people are just plan cheap.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It usually goes something like this, I've been traveling to a destination and it is late 12 A.M. plus or minus an hour and I need to stop. I pull in, sleep till 5:30 take a shower, dump my grey (only kidding on that but I have seen it done) go inside and have breakfast and I am on my way by 6:45. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Would you still stop there if .... there was a 24 hr office to collect $5.00 for letting you park on their lot?
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YES

It not the money it's the ability to stop late and get going early while enroute from point A to point B. Most campground owners just don't want to deal with late arrivals.
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The Wal-mart thing has been a hot topic in the past I know. But to put it in prospective relative to RV Wizards posting, let me say this. He says that the number of campgrounds are shrinking. There are more people trying to get into less sites. The campgrounds are charging more money and giving less services in some cases. "Most" campgrounds are at least one half hour or more from major thruways. So if my object is to get from point A to point B in the shortest amound of time, Walmarts and Cracker Barrels seem to only make sense. First of all, alot of times, I may not know just where I want to stop for the night. More than likely, if I go looking for a campground after 4:00 PM, I wont find one unless I already made a reservation. They want $30.00 for me just to park for the night plus like has been said before, some camp sites require too much work in getting in and set up.
As far as Walmarts charging for their lot, I think a couple bucks donation to their local charity is fine. This way you go in, say hello, and deposit the money.(if they are open when you get there)
I dont think we can make this discussion about being cheap by staying at Walmarts when the new complaint is the fact that it is hard to find campgrounds without reservations and the cost of some of them and the time it can take to get registered and set up at some of them. Now there are those that are close to the interstates and cater to overnighters. They get you registered, you go to the pull thru site which is level and you plug in and you're done. Most are not that way though.
Please, this post is in no way intended to flame or argue with either side of the Walmart vs. campground issue. It just seems to make sense sometimes to go that route.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> First of all, alot of times, I may not know just where I want to stop for the night. More than likely, if I go looking for a campground after 4:00 PM, I wont find one unless I already made a reservation. They want $30.00 for me just to park for the night plus like has been said before, some camp sites require too much work in getting in and set up.
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We usually do not make reservations when we are on the road. We do research though to see what is available & call to see if they can handle a big rig. We usually stop before 4pm, get a pull thru so we don't have to disconnect and usually only pay $15.00 a night. We haven't pavement parked since the 1970's.

Would you still stop there if .... there was a 24 hr office to collect $15.00 for letting you park on their lot?

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We gave up on trying to overnight in campgrounds after a half dozen of them tried to charge us full rate for an unserviced spot in their overflow or storage area!

Would I pay $15. US for a spot at midnight for a 5:30 AM pull out? NO.

If that makes us cheap, so be it. Casinos, WallMarts, Flying J's and Cracker Barrels are usually within a minute or two of our road and as long as they welcome us to blacktop for the night, we will stop there.

We spend an average of $2500. per month for the four months we spend in the South, and that is not likely to increase unless the markets rocket upwards!

That said, my son thinks nothing of paying $35.00 for a water only tent site, but they are still working and so their income keeps increasing with inflation. That usually seperates the workers from the retired fix income folks.

Oh well, can't please eveybody!
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Well, we stayed our first night at Wall World. Canada call it Little America. This from the Info center at Dawson creek. Me and wife got into Whitehorse at 8pm one night and could find no place to stay. So went to Wal Mart and spent the night with 31 other campers. I never felt bad about it.

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