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Old 08-05-2003, 04:06 PM   #15
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have never stayed in a campground that charged a registered guest to take a shower. For the campground owner or manager - how would you react if someone offer to pay you to use your showers since they were not registered guests. This discussion was related to boondocking. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you don't let outsiders use the showers can you tell them the closest place that does? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Truck stops and state parks are as plentiful as campground but the boondocker would have to pay a fee at either of these. What I have seen at campgrounds is that they will come usually at lunch when the office is closed so they can sneak in without paying to use the showers or the dump. While there they will also fill up their water tanks. For $3.00 they could stop at a state park - shower, dump and fill up with water. I even know of RV parks where they could boondock for $2.50 and do all of these too.

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I do not understand why a boondocker would need to use a campgrounds showers. If they are going to boondock, shouldn't they be set up for it? Sounds more like transients to me. we stayed (long term- 2 wks at a time) in a TN state park and would see folks come in just to use the showers. One of the regular "drop-ins" lived just down the road. He said he had 1 bathroom & his wife & kids hogged it everymorning. He would come in Mon-Fri and do his thing, get dressed for work and leave. It was weird!

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i can see no reason why a campground owner should open himself to liability because someone is to cheep to pay for a night in a campground. every one has to stop sometime why not a campground. if someone is camping at wally world then they may haft to conserve there water. but thats just cheep!!!!!

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Doesn't bother me one way or the other. Brad, why would a CG owner be more liable for letting someone shower who did not spend the night there than someone who did?
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well a campground owner is just as liable ether way. let me ask you why one would chose to risk the exposure for someone that is not a customer????????. that is my point.

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But brad50, the person showering IS a customer if the campground owner charges for use of the shower.
"Recently on another group there was a remark regarding people asking to shower for a fee."
That is from the 1st post on this topic.

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Would you feel safe and secure letting your wife, daughters, sons, going to the showers knowing that the campground let drifters in to take showers?

Several years ago KOA was sued because a drifter had raped a 16 year old girl in the shower of the campground.

When I travel alone this is not a concern of mine. But when my grandkids are with me, I think I would elect to have a campground that catered solely to the campers.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Recently on another group there was a remark regarding people asking to shower for a fee." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lynnvt, if you are going to quote me - you should quote what I was ASKING and not make it sound like something else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Recently on another group there was a remark regarding people asking to shower for a fee. My question is how do campground owners feel about this? Would you let someone who is not a guest (boondocker?) use your facilities for a fee? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The question was to campground owners if they would allow this. Since several misunderstood the question I revised it to:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sorry, maybe I ask the question wrong. I have never stayed in a campground that charged a registered guest to take a shower. For the campground owner or manager - how would you react if someone offer to pay you to use your showers since they were not registered guests. This discussion was related to boondocking. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then I went on to say: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Wanda & Gene, thank you for answering the question per the topic.

I really wanted to hear the opinion from camground owners of private campgrounds. This topic was on a boondocking group who could
not understand why private campgrounds would not allow this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brad50 in my opinion was also on topic.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>i can see no reason why a campground owner should open himself to liability because someone is to cheep to pay for a night in a campground. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then doc ask: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Brad, why would a CG owner be more liable for letting someone shower who did not spend the night there than someone who did? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

brad50 answered: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> well a campground owner is just as liable ether way. let me ask you why one would chose to risk the exposure for someone that is not a customer????????. that is my point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe brad50 was trying to say that this person was not a overnight customer or registered guest?? There is a big difference between $20.00 and $5.00. If you are a campground owner or manager and are speaking from experience then maybe you can answer my question.

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As a camground manager, I can assert that, if a manager/owner extends a service, even if it's free, he/she assumes liability unless it's specifically posted otherwise. There are no degrees of liability based on purchase price of that service.

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ClassAct, I had no intent to change the intent of your post. That was simply the piece that seemed to apply. Clearly you are not interested in my opinion since I am not a campground owner so just disregard my post. I have no interest in a flame war here. I think this is an interesting discussion about marketing, services and people.
I would say that a rapist does not necessarily have to be a $5 drifter but could just as easily be a $20 camper. Ted Bundy appeared to be a nice looking pleasant young man. You can't tell a theif by their appearance. In addition, a rapist could come into most campgrounds without ever encountering the owner. Most campgrounds are not fenced even if they are gated. Even a fence won't keep out someone if their intent is to harm or rob.
This is another issue that is really up to the campground owner. And as with everything else, some will and others won't. Neither decision will stop me from utilizing their campgrounds.

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Haven't been here in a week or so!! Lots of new posts. A registered guest signs a reciept. We know who they are and where they are from. My guests have expressed that they are uncomfortable with off the roaders coming around in the past so that is why we do what we do. Majority rules! Truck stop is 25 miles north of here. Our bathrooms are locked (keypad # given to REGISTERED guests) due to boondockers parked at the Wal-Mart next door and drifters sneeking in to use them. Funny what you see at 10-11 pm at night! Seems like shower requests have went down in the last year since we put video survelience on every entrance into the building. Coincidence?? I don't know. Next project is a gate for people who can't read that they need to stop at the office before entering the campground!


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I know that some of the campgrounds out west have meters on their showers even for the registered guests. I understand water shortage and have no problem with that although I wonder why the same campground does not charge me to use my washing machine.
I do believe that if I am a registered guest and I have my children, grandchildren or whatever with me, I would like to know that the person in the bath house is a registered guest also and not someone who might do harm and then disappear with no real assurance of his/her identity.
The liability to the campground is also a factor and could increase the charge to the registered guest to pay for the added expense of additional insurance etc.
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