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Old 12-03-2003, 01:37 AM   #15
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Me too Mike!

It's not unusual for companies to give the hardware away to sell the service.

DirectV and Dish satellite programs provide the dish and three receivers for free and the user pays the monthly service cost. Not long ago, that same hardware was selling for $200.

To me it's a very smart marketing decision. By eliminating the upfront campground hardware cost, you've removed a major installation impediment.

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Jim,

Sorry it took so long to respond, I spent a good part of yesterday on the phone with Dave exploring advertising options on irv2. Thanks Dave! Now all I have to do is do the banner selection and the writing.

I am not sure if you are a park owner or a competitor by your references to the items you loan out to the customers. I prefer to pay for advertising first, and then I can discuss our products openly in the OEM forum with their excellent Gold plan, or our own forum with their Platinum plan.

I am afraid you have me at a disadvantage as I am a Site Survey Specialist (SSS) not the engineer even though I am familiar with the technology. And I train new SSS'. Our job is only the initial basic criteria, not sales or AP/system planning, to find the parks that do qualify for a free system, which includes the monthly access fees for the "Pipe," when they do.

I don't disagree with anything you've stated, especialy power requirements, and the increased signal from antennas on, or even in, the RV itself. SMC has a card that has been well reviewed that takes it from another angle. It broadcasts at 200mw! (Yes I know it's a B NIC)

Where and how high we put the antenna is different for every location depending on terrain/obstructions and where the antenna can be mounted. What type and size of antenna is another factor that changes with many local requirements.

As you know, beyond RF possible interference issues from other "in RV" personal WiFi systems, as well as cell phones etc, there are several factors that can affect throughput and continuity of the pipe.

In multiple AP configurations as needed for some larger parks with obstructions, it is possible to degrade the performance just from system lack of response to imbalances in the coverage areas. Fortunately a new technology was unveiled just this week that will benefit all of us with WiFi systems and those of us that install them. While it would seem to be applicable to only the congested urban RF environment, it will be a big boon to multiple AP installations and especially in keeping a system virtually invulnerable to RF interference-automatically. The nice thing is that we won't have to buy it, the manufacturers of the equipment we all use will be installing it in the chips of the systems. Just the RF handling will be a significant assist to single AP systems as well. And it will be in most of the equipment we all buy starting in 1Q 2004.

The article to read:
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From the company that just debuted it this past Monday! Wireless optimizing and auto control
http://www.propagatenet.com/product/overview.html

A white paper by John Morency of Momenta Research demonstrates that "ongoing management and troubleshooting of the RF airwaves constitutes nearly 60% of the time spent supporting WLANs."
Go here and read the white paper, scroll down it is at the bottom of the page
http://www.propagatenet.com/resources/index.html

Jim, we don't use an off the shelf "package" for all of our installs, and have even piggybacked on wireless long range POPs when appropriate for the "pipe." Omnidirectional antennas aren't the only options for a WiFi install. Every park is different, and must be surveyed and carefully engineered to provide the best signal possible to every user in the Park's desired coverage map.

And of course the pipe has to have enough bandwidth to support the expected or target traffic levels, that's a given.

But it sure is a great way to do business, and benefit the parks with no upfront costs many times, and our fellow RVrs with every installation.

It is about time.

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Aww Dave, busted!
It is similar to DirecTV etc. in that respect. However, instead of the park paying for the subscriptions, the end users generate the revenue stream, which we then share with the Park. Not to mention that the park gets the folks to fill spaces that want or need access at high speed. It is a win/win/win all around. No secret there.

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We just got WiFi where we are at and its great. IMHO, all RV Parks should offer WiFi. IMHO, it should be free to the customers, its a lot less expensive than building a swimming pool and will bring in more customers.
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A lot of hotels now have free WiFi. It seems that only the most expensive hotels still charge for it. They have finally realized that the cost of managing a 'for charge' WiFi is more expensive than any revenues.
Installing a WiFi system in a park is not that expensive an prospect. For between $100 and $200 a campground can install a 'no charge' base and antenna. If the park already has high-speed internet for their own use, then that is all it costs.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> A lot of hotels now have free WiFi. It seems that only the most expensive hotels still charge for it. They have finally realized that the cost of managing a 'for charge' WiFi is more expensive than any revenues.
Installing a WiFi system in a park is not that expensive an prospect. For between $100 and $200 a campground can install a 'no charge' base and antenna. If the park already has high-speed internet for their own use, then that is all it costs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree ... most motels are offering it free so why stay at an RV Park? All RV Parks should offer FREE WiFi. Its cheaper than the cost of a swimming pool.
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I am not going to say they should 'all' offer it for free. Some may not have access to high speed internet or if so, it may be cost-prohibitive.
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