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Old 01-30-2015, 12:56 AM   #15
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Thanks Wayne, I will stop by the local Elk's and say hi.
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Old 01-30-2015, 01:30 AM   #16
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There is a religious aspect to the organization too. They say 'must believe in god' but don't specify which one. I'm pretty sure it's christian though.
That's whats stopping me.
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There is a religious aspect to the organization too. They say 'must believe in god' but don't specify which one. I'm pretty sure it's christian though.

"That's whats stopping me."

What is stopping you? The fact that the Elks wants you to believe in God?

Poor excuse for not belonging but whatever blows your hair back. You are missing out on an excellent organization.
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I have stayed in a lot of Elks from coast to coast. I prefer to look at their parking lot on Google Earth prior to my arrival, as some are not suited for large rigs. I also use the street view on GE, looking for signs of an undesirable neighborhood. I can also get a feel for the route between the highway and the lodge.

By moving the mouse around (GE) and watching the elevation change, I can get a sense of the levelness of the parking lot.
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What is stopping you? The fact that the Elks wants you to believe in God?

Poor excuse for not belonging but whatever blows your hair back. You are missing out on an excellent organization.
The Elks don't want you to believe in God--they require it. If a person doesn't, then that person doesn't qualify for membership. Sounds more like an excuse for excluding people than an excuse for not belonging.
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The Elks don't want you to believe in God--they require it. If a person doesn't, then that person doesn't qualify for membership. Sounds more like an excuse for excluding people than an excuse for not belonging.
Organizations like this have the right to make rules or requirements for membership. If you don't agree with the requirements, then it is probably not a good fit for you. I think what people miss here is that this organization is way more than a just nice place to be able to park your RV, hence some of their requirements. If you do not agree with the requirements, they are not excluding you, you are excluding yourself.
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For the record, they don't have an unfettered right to make rules or requirements for membership; they have to comply with the law.

But I think you're missing my point by couching it in terms of "agreeing with the requirements." That has nothing to do with it. The sticking point for some people is their inability to fulfill the Elks' membership requirements, whether they agree with them or not.

If a basketball team requires members to be 6 feet tall and I'm 5'6", I don't qualify. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with their requirement that members be 6 feet tall. I don't think it would be fair to say a short person excludes himself from the team.

If an organization requires a belief in God and I don't believe in God, I don't qualify. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with their requirement that members believe in God. It's really no different from being too short for the basketball team, so it wouldn't be fair to say I'm excluding myself from the organization.

I agree that Elks clubs do some good work, but think it's unfortunate they have this exclusion, especially when discussing religion is prohibited in lodges.

But their organization, their rules. They also don't allow people who advocate the overthrow of the government. Maybe Tea Party people and atheists should band together and form their own clubs. If they offered RV spaces, I'd be all for it.
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When I was interviewed they asked if I believed in God. They never asked what God I believed in. God or religion has never been mentioned since.

Find a group you feel comfortable with and join them. I don't know what the Moose ask or require of you but I know they have RV parking at some of their Lodges. Maybe they would work for you?
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Oatmeal, your talking apples/oranges....and put way too much into this.....It's their organization made up of members who made/agreed/required(whatever you want to call it) rules of membership and if you don't like them, it would not be a good fit for you. But then like a lot of others claim it's illegal ect.

It's pretty simple, go buy some land and start your own club/organization, you can make your own rules and get those who share your same interests to join. What's next I don't believe in Costco's membership fees so I don't want to pay but should have equal access?
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Oatmeal, your talking apples/oranges....and put way too much into this.....It's their organization made up of members who made/agreed/required(whatever you want to call it) rules of membership and if you don't like them, it would not be a good fit for you. But then like a lot of others claim it's illegal ect.
I never said their rule is illegal. But nowhere did I say it was the same as their prohibition on women being members.


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When I was interviewed they asked if I believed in God. They never asked what God I believed in. God or religion has never been mentioned since.
That's why I don't understand the prohibition on atheists. By the Elks' own rules, a person's belief system will never be discussed, so what does it matter what it is?

Unless they use it to make assumptions about a person's character based on a person's belief that there is no God, which I would argue is as misguided as making assumptions about a person's character based on a person's belief that there is a God.
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I never said their rule is illegal. But nowhere did I say it was the same as their prohibition on women being members.



That's why I don't understand the prohibition on atheists. By the Elks' own rules, a person's belief system will never be discussed, so what does it matter what it is?

Unless they use it to make assumptions about a person's character based on a person's belief that there is no God, which I would argue is as misguided as making assumptions about a person's character based on a person's belief that there is a God.
I don't know what group you've been talking to, but in my lodge at least half of the officers are women.
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Oatmeal, reread what you wrote, because you are inferring both of those comments re being a lawful rule(if it's not lawful then it would be considered illegal) and then out of left field the comment re women members. I'm sure their are lot of organizations you can join that share your beliefs, unfortunately it doesn't appear that the Elks is a good fit for you based on your own comments.
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I never said their rule is illegal. But nowhere did I say it was the same as their prohibition on women being members.



That's why I don't understand the prohibition on atheists. By the Elks' own rules, a person's belief system will never be discussed, so what does it matter what it is?

Unless they use it to make assumptions about a person's character based on a person's belief that there is no God, which I would argue is as misguided as making assumptions about a person's character based on a person's belief that there is a God.
You need to find a group that shares your belief system or start your own.
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