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Old 11-26-2018, 10:06 AM   #1
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Sorry state of most campgrounds.

It seems that most campgrounds do not really appreciate us! Campgrounds full, but gravel and dirt for us campers to deal with. I can not see where they are putting their profits, surely not back into their facility. Most KOA are the worst. I notice they all have several new cabins, so if KOA is requiring them to add these then KOA should require asphalt or concrete pads. Cannot see the return on cabin investment but 40-50 my sites rented per night makes a majority of their income. Liz would love to see a total boycott of KOA until they require their parks to get upgraded to truly provide a quality park for us campers! And donít get me started on their K-9 corrals, so full of burs my dogs will not go in!
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:16 AM   #2
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Gravel or dirt doesn't bother us. If need be we lay down an awning mat. If you and others want to boycott because of the lack of paved sites then I'm sure many like myself would appreciate the increased ease in getting those non-paved sites. I say go for it and thank you in advance.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:24 AM   #3
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Same here 60sumtin.
We camp because we like nature.
I don't WANT to sit on a concrete pad, I've got all the concrete I need at home. Put out an awning mat, two mats to wipe our feet (one before the awning mat, one in front of the steps) and we're all set.
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Why should campgrounds put more of their profits back into the campground when they are as full as they want to be? What would be the business advantage of doing so?
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We camp because we like nature.
I don't WANT to sit on a concrete pad, I've got all the concrete I need at home.
I agree. One exception are two casinos on the Pacific Ocean that I have stopped at several times. I know the MH is safe when walking on the beach because of the good security.

There is no rule that says you can not enjoy places you hate. On my list are NYC, DC, and Los Wages. These places are where the kids live.

I enjoy visiting family and there is no shortage of interesting walks. My favorite places to tale the MH the animals that walk on 4 legs grown antlers.

Since the OP felt unappreciated by camp ground owners because they do not cater to his dogs, would he like to guess what I do not appreciate about dogs?

Yes, I have owned dogs. Yes, I took them camping. And yes, I trained them not to bark at people.

My point is there is always something to complain about. What is like a about living in a is that if you do not like where you are at, change where you are at.

While heading north for the summer, we had reservations for a few days at like Tahoe. I had lived close enough to take day trips and many weekend camping trips. A beautiful place to live and visit.

After checking in and parking in the assigned spot, I we for a walk before setting up camp. When I arrived back at the check in I had a list of sites that were not occupied and did not have two families with 4 yapping dogs.

We were assigned a site in surrounded by others who were there to enjoy nature.

I belong to a drinking club with a boating problem. More often than not I am the only one out sailing. It gets noisy around the campfire on Friday and Saturday nights.

I maintain there is an infinite number of places to park your RV you like as long as you do not have the expectation that everyplace will meet them.
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I’ve found most KOA’s do a decent job of keeping the place clean, have some facilities I want to use, and some that I don’t but many people do. Grass, gravel, dirt, asphalt, concrete make little difference, but I do desire mostly level sites. I suspect that most KOA owners try to improve their operations, but I think most people will be amazed at how little profit there really is. Pricey perhaps, but we all have the option of going elsewhere.
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It seems that most campgrounds do not really appreciate us! Campgrounds full, but gravel and dirt for us campers to deal with. I can not see where they are putting their profits, surely not back into their facility. Most KOA are the worst. I notice they all have several new cabins, so if KOA is requiring them to add these then KOA should require asphalt or concrete pads. Cannot see the return on cabin investment but 40-50 my sites rented per night makes a majority of their income. Liz would love to see a total boycott of KOA until they require their parks to get upgraded to truly provide a quality park for us campers! And don’t get me started on their K-9 corrals, so full of burs my dogs will not go in!
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On one side nothing looks worse than broken up concrete or asphalt. On the other The amount needed for either as a pad is significant per site. That leaves me quite happy with enough gravel or crushed stone to keep from sinking into the mud and basically level.

If they put in a concrete patio pad in the NE the frost will heave it if somebody doesn't drive over it and break it trying to get in or out of the space. Maybe some folks want a $10,000 bill for replacing the concrete. I don't.
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Maybe the OP needs to quit staying in $40-$50/night "RV parks" (those are not "campgrounds") and try some state parks and federal campgrounds. We have stayed in absolutely gorgeous, well-maintained, asphalt-paved, lakeside, Corps of Engineers water-electric campsites from New Mexico to Georgia and paid from $8-$11/night with our Federal Senior Pass. We have also stayed in 90'-long, gravel, back-in, FHU sites in lakeside New Mexico state parks for $18/night, including the daily park pass and a heated shower-laundry house, and the nearest neighboring campsite was 40' away.
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I've stayed at some really nice Wal-Mart's.

Full paved sites, great rates, and if along the perimeter, well maintained sod lawns and shrubs.
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Maybe the OP needs to quit staying in $40-$50/night "RV parks" (those are not "campgrounds") and try some state parks and federal campgrounds. We have stayed in absolutely gorgeous, well-maintained, asphalt-paved, lakeside, Corps of Engineers water-electric campsites from New Mexico to Georgia and paid from $8-$11/night with our Federal Senior Pass. We have also stayed in 90'-long, gravel, back-in, FHU sites in lakeside New Mexico state parks for $18/night, including the daily park pass and a heated shower-laundry house, and the nearest neighboring campsite was 40' away.
Don't tell too many people or there won't be room for those of us that know and enjoy this type of camping
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Maybe the OP needs to quit staying in $40-$50/night "RV parks" (those are not "campgrounds") and try some state parks and federal campgrounds. We have stayed in absolutely gorgeous, well-maintained, asphalt-paved, lakeside, Corps of Engineers water-electric campsites from New Mexico to Georgia and paid from $8-$11/night with our Federal Senior Pass. We have also stayed in 90'-long, gravel, back-in, FHU sites in lakeside New Mexico state parks for $18/night, including the daily park pass and a heated shower-laundry house, and the nearest neighboring campsite was 40' away.
Agreed. But when was the last time you check into a KOA. The last two I looked into were over $100. Quit looking after that.
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Iíve found most KOAís do a decent job of keeping the place clean, have some facilities I want to use, and some that I donít but many people do. Grass, gravel, dirt, asphalt, concrete make little difference, but I do desire mostly level sites. I suspect that most KOA owners try to improve their operations, but I think most people will be amazed at how little profit there really is. Pricey perhaps, but we all have the option of going elsewhere.
If there was no profit they would not be or stay in business. When one can get full hook ups at some amazing prices such as COE, dont fool yourself in thinking there is little profit.
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You can put a concrete pad in bad weather area if you do it right. Has to have a good packed gravel bed under it. Also good drainage with rebar mesh in it.
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