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Old 03-20-2016, 12:25 PM   #57
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When protected by "online anonymity" is easy for any know-it-all to advise you to not answer questions asked by a border patrol agent.
However when "eyeball to eyeball" with a border patrol agent, (who has the authority to "ruin your day"), only a fool would follow that advice.

IMO it's best to be cooperative rather than combative with any border patrol agent....unless you have nothing better to do...(or need a story to tell to your grand children).

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Old 03-20-2016, 12:38 PM   #58
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When protected by "online anonymity" is easy for any know-it-all to advise you to not answer questions asked by a border patrol agent.
However when "eyeball to eyeball" with a border patrol agent, (who has the authority to "ruin your day"), only a fool would follow that advice.

IMO it's best to be cooperative rather than combative with any border patrol agent....unless you have nothing better to do...(or need a story to tell to your grand children).

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The same is true when dealing with the police. If you are stopped by the police, and they want to search your vehicle, it is best to let them do so, otherwise, "they could ruin your day".
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As a side note, every time we go through a Border Patrol checkpoint, I cant help but wonder at all the money spent on building and manning these stations, and stopping thousands of vehicles per day, and only occasionally finding someone transporting illegals, when ICE could go into any meat packing plant and many other businesses in Iowa, and find hundreds of illegals.
So do you think that these types of operations should only be done if the expense doesn't exceed the cost and if so, maybe don't do any checks at all?
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So do you think that these types of operations should only be done if the expense doesn't exceed the cost and if so, maybe don't do any checks at all?
It doesnt seem these checkpoints are doing much at all to stop the illegals, as the estimate is that there are about 14 million illegals in the USA. Mostly these checkpoints give the illusion that we are controlling our borders.
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The same is true when dealing with the police. If you are stopped by the police, and they want to search your vehicle, it is best to let them do so, otherwise, "they could ruin your day".
Oh, you are soooo wrong if you're saying to consent to a search. You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER consent to a search. You don't resist a search but you never ever give permission for anyone to search. As soon as you consent you loose all of your legal options if something was found you didn't know about.
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Oh, you are soooo wrong if you're saying to consent to a search. You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER consent to a search. You don't resist a search but you never ever give permission for anyone to search. As soon as you consent you loose all of your legal options if something was found you didn't know about.
But shouldnt we be concerned with law enforcement "ruining our day"?

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It doesnt seem these checkpoints are doing much at all to stop the illegals, as the estimate is that there are about 14 million illegals in the USA. Mostly these checkpoints give the illusion that we are controlling our borders.
It's really not as much about stopping the "Illegals" as it is all the other stuff they stop from coming in. And they do stop and send back more " Illegals" than you are aware of. Those dogs aren't sniffing for people though. The general public will never know what/how much bad stuff is intercepted, so however much it is you will never know and cannot say whether it is worth the expense.

It's funny everyone wants the war on drugs and don't want our Kids/Grandkids/neighborhoods to be exposed to them(or at least most of us) and want our Country to free from terrorism, but when they get asked a few non intrusive questions then they complain about it, and claim their rights have been violated. Now if they didn't ask everyone the same conversation starting questions then everyone would cry foul and say they are profiling. Law Enforcement can't win for losing so they have to follow the policys/laws they have to work with. Unfortunately too many in our Country want their cake and want to eat it too. Just my opinion.
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But shouldnt we be concerned with law enforcement "ruining our day"?
Sure but don't loose your rights in the process. I'd just say, "With all due respect, I do not content to a search".

Remember if they had legal grounds to search they wouldn't ask in the first place.

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Oh, you are soooo wrong if you're saying to consent to a search. You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER consent to a search. You don't resist a search but you never ever give permission for anyone to search. As soon as you consent you loose all of your legal options if something was found you didn't know about.
If you have nothing to hide it might be better to consent and be on your way after their cursory search finds nothing rather than refuse them and put back all the pieces of a destructive search after they obtain a warrant. I know just denying a search is not probable cause but they might come up with something clever that will stick costing you a lot of time and money.

If they ask me if I mind if they take a look inside I'd have to think long and hard before telling them I do.

Also without getting too political the amount of illegals crossing is way down over the last six years. Most likely due to relative improvement in the Mexican economy and stepped up Border Patrol enforcement.
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Like I said before they do have to ask a random sampling of people that come through otherwise when someone is caught with those 1000 Kilos of Cocaine, or undocumented people, or whatever they find, the Defense attorney is going to claim the Officers were just profiling. On just about every case I have ever had to testify on the defense has always tried to go that route, because if they can't get the search thrown out then they have no defense, even when we have had search warrants. Defense Attorneys really don't care if their client is guilty or not, in these cases they are just looking for a way to get the charges dropped.

I have been asked more than a few times if they could look in our MH/Boat, I told them they could and then they didn't even search it. One time a Border Patrol Agent walked in the MH, just to the dinette and then turned around, said "thank you" and waved us through. Guess what when he goes to court he can honestly say he's conducted random searches and is not profiling. To be honest it is really the way our "politically Correct Society" mentality has become that is wasting taxpayers money, rather than Law Enforcement. By the way there is a lot of training that goes behind this and they really do know what they are looking for, but as always there are so many "experts" that know what really goes on.

I guess you just need to ask yourself what kind of Country you want to live in, otherwise we will soon be no different than a lot of other Countries where your safety is at risk. The Law Enforcement Officers are not out there to hurt you, but the Criminals are. I guess you got to ask yourself who you trust more.
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Some folks are just a little thick headed. Maybe multiple thought processes are a problem for them. An RV can be a domicile, subject to needing a search warrant. Yep, when sewer hose, water hose and electrical are connected. When not connected rolling down the road, they are just another vehicle.
That is one way of describing the difference, but since an RV is 'self-contained', then it could still be a home, moving or not. At night in a Walmart parking lot with no connections, is the RV a home or just another vehicle? I don't think 'connections' is a factor, someone living 'off the grid' can have no connections.
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Defense Attorneys really don't care if their client is guilty or not.
Prosecuting attorneys don't care either...(kind of even things out don't you think)?
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Prosecuting attorneys don't care either...(kind of even things out don't you think)?
Oh that's not true I hope you really don't believe that. It's easy to say unless you've been in the profession and have personally investigated a crime and know all that goes into getting a DA filing that goes to court and then all the motions that take place prior to a trial. It doesn't happen in a vacuum and the Criminal has multiple chances to get out of the charges, while LE and the Prosecutor only have one chance to get it right. That's why crime is so prevalent these days, and so many are victimized. People get away with a lot of stuff before they are ever really held accountable, and leave a lot of damage in their wake. LE/Prosecutors/Courts motto has always been and still is "It's better to let 1000 criminals get away with their crimes than it is to put 1 innocent person in Jail."
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Oh that's not true I hope you really don't believe that. It's easy to say unless you've been in the profession and have personally investigated a crime and know all that goes into getting a DA filing that goes to court and then all the motions that take place prior to a trial. It doesn't happen in a vacuum and the Criminal has multiple chances to get out of the charges, while LE and the Prosecutor only have one chance to get it right. That's why crime is so prevalent these days, and so many are victimized. People get away with a lot of stuff before they are ever really held accountable, and leave a lot of damage in their wake. LE/Prosecutors/Courts motto has always been and still is "It's better to let 1000 criminals get away with their crimes than it is to put 1 innocent person in Jail."

In a perfect world, only the guilty would be convicted and punished, but that's not where we live. A cursory Internet search for "wrongful conviction prosecutorial misconduct" will keep you reading for a good long time. The case that comes immediately to mind is the Duke University Lacrosse case, where the District Attorney was disbarred. I'm not, in any way, implying that this type of dishonesty is commonplace. The fact that there are so many cases in the news where prosecutors withheld exculpatory evidence to get convictions should be disturbing to every law-abiding citizen. There is no guarantee whatsoever that any of us will get a fair trial, because that fairness relies solely on the integrity of men, and the integrity of men is not 100% reliable.


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