AZ 389 from Fredonia to Colorado City is an flat, easy highway. Can't imagine you had trouble on it. It's a very popular bypass to Zion without having to drive Hwy 9 and the tunnels. At Colorado City it becomes UT 59 and goes to Hurricane. Perhaps that's the one you meant. However, it, too, is an easy drive.
My mistake. The section in Arizona (AZ389) is fine. In Utah the number changes to UT59. That's the part that needs work, mostly due to lack of shoulders and sharp transitions at the edge of the pavement. Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so busy plus it gets a lot of truck traffic. I've certainly driven worse… this was just a section that stuck out to me to avoid in future when we drove through there last week.
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Here's what I'm talking about. AZ169 between Dewey and I-17. The rumble strips are right on the white line for most of its 17 miles. You have to look closely to see them in this photo. I'm aware of a number of head on collisions like this on this highway. Coincidence? I don't know. Have yet to find the Az stats for each highway.
Here's what I'm talking about. AZ169 between Dewey and I-17. The rumble strips are right on the white line for most of its 17 miles. You have to look closely to see them in this photo. I'm aware of a number of head on collisions like this on this highway. Coincidence? I don't know. Have yet to find the Az stats for each highway.
I'm still not seeing the connection between having rumble strips under the white line and an increase in head-on collisions, unless you're suggesting that people ought to be driving on (or over) the white line.
The goal is for each driver to keep his/her vehicle between the center line and the white line. If you see a car coming close to the line, then it might be time to hug the white line till they pass. For those few moments better to suffer the noise of the RS than have a collision.
When I was learning to drive, my father make it really clear to me how important it was to always leave yourself an 'out', whether it be by keeping a proper following distance or, in this case, by keeping proper lane position.
If you are constantly driving on or near the white line and someone is still crowding you, where do you have to go? On many roads I've driven someone hugging the white line is an invitation to oncoming traffic to drive near or over the center line.
Can anyone show me where any driving manual or school recommends anything other than staying between the lines, unless an immediate situation requires a temporary change in lane position?
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If you hit the rumble strips you instinctively move towards the center of the roadway. Now you're driving say 6-12" closer to the center line, and the opposing traffic is doing the same. Effectively they've made the roadway narrower. I don't drive on the shoulder, but I like to stay as far away from opposing traffic as possible just in case someone drifts over the center line. If they're going to put the rumble strips right on the white line they should make the lanes wider. That's my opinion anyway, which with a $5 bill will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. : )
Bott’s dots don’t play well with snow removal equipment. In those areas you will encounter rumble strips.
Actually, in snow areas, you may find reflectors either sunk down in a saw cut trench deep enough to keep the plow blade from hitting them, OR they make and use a cast iron plow ramp that has the marker set inside the casting. Our plow operators like the cast iron ones best. When plowing deep snow, they could tell where the center of the road was by the Thump Thump Thump Thump as they pop over the centerline markers.
Once again, the rumble strips have no connection to weather or not you have raised pavement markers or not. The raised pavement markers are GREAT for when it is raining and the water keeps the reflective pavement lines from reflecting, The rumble strips are great for a audible warning alerting the driver that they are drifting out of their lane.
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Staying Centered in a Lane You need to keep your vehicle centered in the lane to keep safe clearance on either side. If your vehicle is wide, you have little room to spare.
Sorry, but hugging the white line is generally not the safest way to go about driving, especially a larger rig like an RV. You're supposed to keep your vehicle centered in the lane unless there is a specific reason to move to one side or the other to avoid an obstacle.
If you're always on/near the white line you've left yourself with much less of a buffer. Not all dangers will come at you from the center of the road.
I know that not all will agree, but if you're not comfortable driving in the center of the lane then perhaps some refresher training is in order.
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Here's a nice straight section of Utah SR59. How wide do you think the lanes are between the rumble strips? I don't know, I'm just asking. Interstate highways are 12 foot lanes. This looks to me to be less than ten.
Staying Centered in a Lane You need to keep your vehicle centered in the lane to keep safe clearance on either side. If your vehicle is wide, you have little room to spare.
I know that not all will agree, but if you're not comfortable driving in the center of the lane then perhaps some refresher training is in order.
It's not me I'm worried about, it's the other guy. I have no problem staying in my lane.
Here's a nice straight section of Utah SR59. How wide do you think the lanes are between the rumble strips? I don't know, I'm just asking. Interstate highways are 12 foot lanes. This looks to me to be less than ten.
I have pulled 14 foot wide loads to many miles staying in my lane on the interstate. And dumped way to many loads of asphalt paving highways. When the wings on the paver stick out 5+ feet on either side of my 8 foot wide bed, how wide is the lane?
You will not find a federal, and I doubt state highway with pavement 20 ft wide unless maybe a bridge labeled one lane.
Last summer Mo 13 south of Clinton they were rebuilding bridge decks. Signs posted loads over 10 feet should detour. Walking around in a CG, couple of guys in front of their MHs stopped me to ask the best way to get to Springfield. But but but... well, you can take 7 to 65 and down, but 2 lane and construction on 65. If the are permitting 10 foot loads you will have at least 2 ft on each side, and it is only a few bridges.
Here's what I'm talking about. AZ169 between Dewey and I-17. The rumble strips are right on the white line for most of its 17 miles. You have to look closely to see them in this photo. I'm aware of a number of head on collisions like this on this highway. Coincidence? I don't know. Have yet to find the Az stats for each highway.
Drive that section of roadway frequently
Rumble strips are NOT in the drive lane so I rarely encounter them....unless I am NOT staying within the lane boundaries
As for headon collisions on 169.
Has noting to do with rumble strip position to white line.
Has to do with idiots attempting passing w/o paying attention, lack of adequate passing distance, attempting to pass on short sections etc
In other words ......idiots that are a danger regardless.
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Here's a nice straight section of Utah SR59. How wide do you think the lanes are between the rumble strips? I don't know, I'm just asking. Interstate highways are 12 foot lanes. This looks to me to be less than ten.
According to the Google Maps' measuring tool, each lane is about 12 feet wide. Pretty much standard lane width. Perhaps the lack of shoulder makes it look like less, but should be more than wide enough for any production RV out there to easily stay within the center of the lane.
On roads like that I worry much more about a tire falling off the pavement than I do about who's crossing the center line. One tire goes off the pavement and into the soft shoulder and you're suddenly in a whole other world of problems.
If anyone should be worried about oncoming cars crossing the center line it should be me, after having that happen to us causing a head-on collision. However, I still drive as close to the center of the lane as I can. At least I've got a bit of room left on the right should I need it, but I wouldn't if I was already on the white line.
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1974 GMC 4108a - Custom Coach Land Cruiser
All the roads being mentioned 59, 389, 169 we've done easily many times with our 40' motorhome by staying in the center of the perfectly wide lanes! Never, touched rumble stripes. I really don't see the issue you're having.
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I was on Route 66 last month and the rumble strips played America the beautiful. Otherwise we need to get rid of the rumble strips cause they keep waking me up.
Drive that section of roadway frequently
Rumble strips are NOT in the drive lane so I rarely encounter them....unless I am NOT staying within the lane boundaries
As for headon collisions on 169.
Has noting to do with rumble strip position to white line.
Has to do with idiots attempting passing w/o paying attention, lack of adequate passing distance, attempting to pass on short sections etc
In other words ......idiots that are a danger regardless.
I drive it at least four-six times per month-- just yesterday in fact-- and the rumble strips are on the white line for most of the 17 miles. They need to be outside the white line by at least six inches. The accidents I'm aware of were NOT caused by people passing, the most famous being the one that killed three corrections officers on their way home from work early on a Sunday morning. The driver of the truck that killed them simply crossed the center line.