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Old 12-25-2019, 05:13 PM   #1
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We Miss Streets and Trips

We miss Streets and Trips, we used it for years and got quite good at it. But Microsoft gave it up supporting it in 2010 (I believe). What was nice about it is as long as you could see the sky it worked. It did not have to depend on Cell Service......

Is there anything out there that is close? Google Maps and Waze use GPS and from what I am seeing they are difficult to pre-plan trips and save and see places like Crackle Barrels, Pilots, KOA's, etc..... We have a iPad we just bought to use as we travel. We love taking back roads to avoid big cities and such......

Any Ideas? Thanks LeeB

Some years ago someone here gave me a tip about avoiding Chicago by heading south and picking up 30 (I think) and it was a awesome trip.
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RV Trip Planner (RVTP) is about all there is anymore. It's pretty good but it is not a real time navigator, not that I've discovered anyway. You can run it on a Android but it's better on a computer. It will find Cracker Barrels, Walmarts, low bridges and so on. It locates most campgrounds. There is a active forum here on iRV2 and the developer is releasing patches and seems to listen to users. There is a free partially functional demo. Check out the forum here.


For real time navigation I'm still using DeLorme's Street Atlas 2015. It is also deadware but the roads don't change that rapidly so as to render it non functional.


MS S&T breathed it's last in 2012 I believe, at least I have a copy of that. RV Plan 'N Go 2013 is still available on Amazon, or was a few months ago. Also dead it had an awful real time module but is still handy for boondocking since it shows all those FS roads when you zoom in.


RVTW is what I'm using for trip planning now, it has it's quirks but is very usable
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Old 12-25-2019, 05:38 PM   #3
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I join you in missing S&T. I still have it on my computer but rarely use it anymore since it is so old. I also use RV Trip Wizard. It has a few drawbacks that I don't care for but overall I like it. But it's not as fast and snappy as S&T, and requires an active internet connection.
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Old 12-25-2019, 06:19 PM   #4
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I miss MS S&T also even though it had some idiosyncrasies.
Now I just use the free ParkAdvisor Android app on my phone. It uses Google Maps and Earth and you can select a bunch (I refuse to say a ton) of POIs to display.
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Old 12-25-2019, 06:36 PM   #5
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I still use S&T 2013 for planning purposes, but not for actual navigation. I keep it as up-to-date as possible with POI files (RV parks, Love's, PFJ, etc) from the POI Factory.

Once I have my stops planned I import the GPX file to my Garmin unit, and manually enter them into CoPilot on my iPad. I then let those programs calculate the route and use them for actual navigation. However I always preview them to make sure there are no unwanted surprises that might pop up.
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As a software developer, I use S and T as a model for what not to do when creating a project or when we need to purchase software from a vendor.

How is the product licensed? What happens if your business goes away or you stop supporting the software? How do we get it authenticated? We've refused to purchase many Microsoft products because they could not provide an acceptable answer to this question.
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Yep, I miss it too. Nice to preplan a trip.
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Street Atlas is no longer available but we still use our older version. Big city streets or interstate exit ramps may change but otherwise if you love getting off the interstates your older version of S&T should still work well for you for secondary roads and the mid to small towns.
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We miss Streets and Trips, we used it for years and got quite good at it. But Microsoft gave it up supporting it in 2010 (I believe). What was nice about it is as long as you could see the sky it worked. It did not have to depend on Cell Service......

Is there anything out there that is close? Google Maps and Waze use GPS and from what I am seeing they are difficult to pre-plan trips and save and see places like Cracker Barrels, Pilots, KOA's, etc..... We have a iPad we just bought to use as we travel. We love taking back roads to avoid big cities and such......

Any Ideas? Thanks LeeB

Some years ago someone here gave me a tip about avoiding Chicago by heading south and picking up 30 (I think) and it was a awesome trip.
I also was a big fan of Streets and Trips - Bing Maps is the closest thing I've found to take its place.

You can go A to B then add all the stops in between - for example

https://binged.it/2Zoyqkp

or add a few stops -

https://binged.it/2MKfiZ9

or extend after you arrive -

https://binged.it/2SsxvOc

Very similar to the functions I enjoyed in MSST- you will need to save the map so if you lose your connection - get it out of the Cloud - GPS never goes away

Just one Man' solution to the MicroSoft profit line - Looking to find a way to keep Word as support for it will disappear soon.

Hope this helps,
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Amen Skipper! In my experience, S&T was the only program that had a sliding scale of road preferences. All of the others (that I know of) are binary: avoid highways or not. The result is if you check the block it will go to ridiculous extremes to avoid an Interstate. With S&T you could indicate preference in degrees...if you checked, say 3, it would route you on an Interstate when it made sense.

Trip Wizard is my go to for planning and Maps for execution, but, both do the binary thing. Yea, I know about shaping but it often doesn't stick and down the road it starts changing back to routing I don't want. We avoid Interstates when there is a reasonable alternative so maybe this doesn't bother most folks.
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RV trip Wizard is great I have used it to plan 4 trips with over 25 stops each - I much prefer it to S&T which I used for about 10 years - I download trip wizard to my Garmin 660
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BaseCamp does the samething S&T did and is free, and up to date, from Garmin.
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I still use S&T 2013 for planning purposes, but not for actual navigation. I keep it as up-to-date as possible with POI files (RV parks, Love's, PFJ, etc) from the POI Factory.

Once I have my stops planned I import the GPX file to my Garmin unit, and manually enter them into CoPilot on my iPad. I then let those programs calculate the route and use them for actual navigation. However I always preview them to make sure there are no unwanted surprises that might pop up.

I learned something new from your post, I had never heard of the POI Factory. It looks interesting.
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CoPilot is our nav on tablet choice since the demise of SA. I still trip plan on the old SA on computer, but nav trip legs on CoP. Runs off of sat gps, no data used unless you use traffic update options.

Hmmm with new Visible account guess I will try traffic watch when leaving the Keys tomorrow. :(
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