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Old 10-06-2014, 07:46 AM   #29
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As a sideline to this thread, if you did want to find some of the worst roads, then just blindly follow your GPS. Last year we were heading to Yellowstone from Crested Butte. I planned the route on the GPS and it found a very direct way over Schofield pass one of the most dangerous jeep trails in Colorado. We had a good laugh over that GPS proposed trip and went a safer route. However, the next day in Grand Junction we were less certain on our way and the GPS proposed what looked to be much more direct route over Douglas Pass. It was in no way a primary road, but it was a mapped roadway. We tried it. Now this is a bad road in America, but typical for this class of road. I think it was last paved in the 80's and extremely rough and very, very long. That is the bad news. The good news was that the scenery was incredible. We inched along at 35 as complete tourists. Was it worth it? YES. Would we do it again? NO. I can just imagine what it is like driving to Alaska.
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As a newcomer who is hopefully buying his first and traveling within a couple months, this thread scares me. Really, do motorhomes get beat to crap this much on poor roads? And $60 something to cross the GW???
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Old 10-10-2014, 08:29 AM   #31
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As a newcomer who is hopefully buying his first and traveling within a couple months, this thread scares me. Really, do motorhomes get beat to crap this much on poor roads? And $60 something to cross the GW???
Bad roads tend to amplify the creaks and rattles and groans in an RV, just think of all the "loose" stuff in there. I don't think something REALLY bad will happen, like your roof coming off, but I had a stretch of bad road actually loosen the wire connection on the back of my dash's 12v outlet.

The GW toll (and many others) are based on number of axles. A P/U towing a fifth-wheel with 2 or 3 axles is gonna get hit harder than a 40' RV with just two axles.
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As a newcomer who is hopefully buying his first and traveling within a couple months, this thread scares me. Really, do motorhomes get beat to crap this much on poor roads? And $60 something to cross the GW???
Rough roads bring out the fact that your RV is a heavy vehicle with suspension that is not really tuned for potholes. The expensive tolls point out that an RV has no business on the Penna Turnpike, the GW bridge, etc. There are alternative routes that don't charge such rates. High tolls are often used as a way to restrict and punish vehicles the authorities would rather not have on such routes.
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Old 10-11-2014, 05:37 PM   #33
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hwy 69/75 from Big Cabin Oklahoma south to Sherman Tex will beat your rig to death. It is a great shortcut to get from I 44 to I 20 but really hard on a RV
I traveled that one last year. This year I took the longer route by going I35 and the Kansas Turnpike. Much better and maybe quicker way to Missouri. I just came south across I59 and it is awful in places. Don't get me started on I70, it is one of the worst interstate highways in the US.
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Can't not tax billionaires and have companies like Apple and Burger King and General Electric and Intel each parking billions of dollars overseas waiting for the next amnesty as under Bush when the money came into the USA and was taxed at a 10% rate, and have money for infrastructure (or schools or health care or anything else).

Even tiny Costa Rica has better roads than I find where I live and they also have free health care, free education through college, and social security. Better internet access and better public transportation than in most of the USA. But no army and no navy and no air force to pay for in operation or in retirement. No coupes either with no military for our CIA to influence.
not millions of illegals to support in costa rica
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Costa Rica doesn't have freeze/thaw cycles on it's roads, probably don't have as many large 80,000 lb trucks either.
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Costa Rica has a larger percentage of heavy trucks as it has no rail network with the ones that were installed designed only to take bananas to the docks for the ships to take to outside the country. California also has no freeze and thaw cycles either but its roads are in much worse shape than those in Costa Rica.

Sadly what funding goes where is being decided by real estate speculators in California. 9 of the 11 transportation board members work in the real estate industry. So funding goes into new freeways through sparsely populated areas so that otherwise worthless land can become lots for starter homes. Taxpayers fund the highways and real estate developers reap the rewards through what are subsidies. Nobody loves government welfare as much as American corporations nor does any other group get as much money from federal, state, and local governments.

In my county we have supervisors deciding on transportation and they recently produced a "plan" that puts 100% of the funds into widening existing roads. This is insane in that wider roads encourages more trips and the capacity gained is lost in a year or two at most. We had train service when I first moved into the area in the 1970's but the supervisors abandoned the lines and focused on freeways. We have men and women in political office without the education or experience to be making the decisions as to how to go forward.

We have the supervisor elections for my area with a judge going against a retired aerospace engineer to replace the current supervisor who was a dairy farmer. None of the three men are qualified to make the decisions for the county in areas of health, education, commerce, water, waste management, environment, transportation, and a dozen other critical areas. No better at the federal level when we elect to be President people with no experience who are 100% dependent on their staff and lobbyists in making decisions. Bad roads are like the 50% of bridges that are unsafe in this country only a symptom of much more endemic and systemic problems in the USA. Not a problem if you are part of the 1% that is getting 75% of the income and has more than 70% of the wealth but not a healthy situation for those who actually work for a living or their families.

It shows remarkable ignorance and notable racism to talk about supporting millions of illegal immigrants. These people are leaving their countries to escape the poverty created by US government subsidized programs like NAFTA that destroyed farmers in Mexico with the dumping of grain and the creation of the factories along the borders where living costs are 90% of what they are across the border in El Paso but where workers are paid $8 a day. We have the people who fled Vietnam, El Salvador, Panama, Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti, Columbia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, and many other countries where the US has replaced democratically elected governments with dictators and people are fleeing the violence. The US has military bases in more than 175 countries and more than 250,000 soldiers stationed in these countries and it is not to protect the people.

Illegal immigrants pay into social security and yet they will never collect a dime later. Companies like Tyson recruit workers from Mexico and Central America and the workers are disabled within a couple of years due to the terrible conditions in the plants and then are deported and sent home as cripples. Blaming immigrants is no different than the Nazi blaming Germany's problems on the Jews. No different at all.
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I agree with I-15 west of New Orleans being pretty rough, and I-40 east of Kingman, Arizona being really bad.
Fun Thread to read. Haven't been on the I-40 east of Kingman in years. We do travel from Needles to Kingman on the 40 to visit friends when we're out that way.

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worst road in America just recently that I have been on is california 178 to Death Valley; what a wicked road!!!!! I told my wife, " write down 178 and we should never take that again"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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worst roads

Try rt 85 South of Richmond Virginia, any self respecting 3rd world country would be embarrassed to have such a road
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$68 wowzser...I guess that is one way to discouraging RV'ers from entering.
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I75 North N of Tampa

There is a stretch of I-75 north of Tampa that has been under long-term construction for years, and has two or three more years to go. Last spring, with a total of about five miles behind the wheel of a motor home, I hit a bad spot in the Northbound slow lane that tried to throw me into the fast lane. I recovered, but it had me wondering if I was up to driving the rig. The rest of the trip wasn't nearly as scary, and after I got home I flew back to Tampa to pick up my Sequoia and drive it home. When I was going through that bad stretch I thought about the scary experience the last time I drove through. Just then the road tossed the SEQUOIA into the fast lane. I guess it wasn't just my inexperienced driving after all.

I-275 used to be a good way to avoid that construction, but now they have it torn up as well. I'm working on a non-Interstate route for going south through Hillsborough County next January.

I also agree on the rough road I-95 northbound through South Carolina. It is a real tooth-rattler.
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Maybe that's why most RVs going to Central FL for sale need a front end alignment upon delivery:(
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