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Old 09-11-2015, 10:49 AM   #15
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I was told by by a few people that they moved to a DP from a 5th wheel because the 5th's slides leaked air during bad wind storms. These owners say they have higher-end 5th wheels and it didn't matter. That a higher-end DP will always be more solid than a higher-end 5th.

Any comments on this claim? Is it true?
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Old 09-11-2015, 07:56 PM   #16
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There are cheap built MH and Cheap built 5thers. Most of the higher end 5thers are out of business. People choose cheap to quality. I would appreciate a new high end unit on market. Don't believe it will happen. DRV is and questionable if it remains with Heartland owning them now. There is about a a $50,000 jump up from DRV to a New Horizons, Space Craft or Forks RV. But a high end MH costs more than a custom built 5ther and is made no better. Anything on them can be got in a 5ther.
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:35 PM   #17
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It is no fun towing 21k with a 1 ton dually. They have plenty of power, just not enough bulk coming down long hills and, God forbid, an accident happens.
What happens coming down the long hill? I've heard of being pushed by the heavy 5er...but don't the brakes on it hold it back?

If 21k is not fun with a 1 ton dually, then in your opinion what would be the max that would be comfortable?
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Depends on your vehicle. My 2005 GMC dually had no turbo brake. It didn't handle 17k well coming down I70 out of CO. The 2012 has an turbo brake but I have increased to 21k 5ther. Now have 21k pushing 9k LDT. I will be much safer with a 20k truck being pushed by 21k 5ther. Brakes fail easily. A simple twig can get in wiring and knock out all your trailer brakes. As long as you stay in fairly flat lands you will likely be good. Go in the rockies and I want a MDT or HDT. By the way, you can get in an HDT for less money than a new 3500. jfyi
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Depends also on the suspension and brakes on the 5er. Newer, high end coaches are night and day different from even 6-8 years ago as are the trucks.

We pull a Redwood that weighs just shy of 18k with a 2013 F350 Dually. Coach has MORRyde IS independent suspension and Kodiak Disc brakes. If you are talking about a coach that has electric drum brakes, then yes, it is a handful getting stopped even in good circumstances. With the disc brakes, the whole rig stops just as well as the truck alone does. Add in the IS suspension with no buggy springs or solid axles and ther is no comparison.

One of the things we liked about Augusta and their Luxe line was that the above setup is Standard, not an option like some of the others. Having had a rig now with the above, I'd never tow anothe 5er without it.
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Having to rely on your trailer brakes to control a down hill tow is not good. I want a truck capable of handling it. I agree Disks are much better. Very few units have them though. They don't stop much better than a properly adjusted set of electric brakes. The key is properly adjusted. Most towed are not. Also they are easily put out of commission.
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I have come down many very steep grades with our 19K lbs 5ver with no problem, rarely touching the brakes. It very much depends on the truck's exhaust brakes. The Cummins is excellent.
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Cummins has same system that is on GM turbo brake. It is not a jake like on HDTs. You are 8-9kish. When you go past 20k it can get bad easily.
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I'm having a difficult time understanding your logic of having a heavier vehicle. If we have the classic "what if" scenario occur where we lose our trailer brakes going downhill, and your truck weighs 15,000-18,000 pounds, we now have much more mass that needs to be brought to a stop. Sure you could get a truck with a true jake-brake and that would help, but the engine brake on the cummins does a fantastic job.

Why not just upgrade the brakes (and get sweet 10-lug wheels) on a regular dually if preparing for the worst but not wanting a MDT/HDT?
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I want an HDT. They are safer, less expensive, gets better mpg and is a lot more comfortable towing. I towed 1300 miles with my 05 dually. I was sore from head to toe. I have drove cross country with an HDT and was relaxed and comfortable. There is no comparison. They are not for everybody though. If you travel short distances probably not worth it.
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I'm not sure how many thousands (100's of thousands) of miles I've drove in heavy duty trucks, but that was all commercial with oilfield equipment. Different beasts than what you're probably running. Never had the pleasure of pulling a fiver behind one, but I'm sure it would be great for everything besides daily driving.
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Wouldn't use it for daily drive. Carry a Smart on the deck sideways.
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Just need to make a point. If you're not familiar with disk brakes on a trailer and have not towed with them, don't knock them. Proven stopping distances 40% better than electric drum brakes with much less heat buildup and fade.

And as for comfort, we have towed our Redwood in excess of 14,000 miles in 2.5 years behind a 2013 F350 Diesel Dually. With airbags on the truck for suspension control (NOT for weight carrying) and an air Tri Glude hitch and MORRyde IS suspension I really have to remind myself at times its back there.
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Oh - and we average about 10.5 mpg towing.
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