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Old 03-23-2007, 11:28 AM   #1
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We have been looking to replace a travel trailer with a 1999 Fifth Avenue fifth wheeler. We asked the salesman about putting a toilet with a water tank and a straight pipe to permanent sewer hookup. He said that it can't be done and a couple of other sales people said the same. I don't see what would be the problem of taking the black water tank out and replacing it with a pipe. Is it that difficult and do the sales people no what they are talking about?

I could not think of why a regular household toilet and connection could not be put on a fifth wheeler we have it in our travel trailer
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Old 03-23-2007, 11:28 AM   #2
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We have been looking to replace a travel trailer with a 1999 Fifth Avenue fifth wheeler. We asked the salesman about putting a toilet with a water tank and a straight pipe to permanent sewer hookup. He said that it can't be done and a couple of other sales people said the same. I don't see what would be the problem of taking the black water tank out and replacing it with a pipe. Is it that difficult and do the sales people no what they are talking about?

I could not think of why a regular household toilet and connection could not be put on a fifth wheeler we have it in our travel trailer
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:19 PM   #3
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I would think that you could, but if you plan to travel and camp with your rig this modification could really limit your choices of where to park. I put in a fitting under our RV toilet to make it taller, but we retained the tank to keep our flexibility.
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Old 03-23-2007, 06:25 PM   #4
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Welcome westd to irv2.
As was said will limit your use of toilet when not hooked up plus you may get all the sewer gases backing up into your RV when ever you flush.
You can do what ever you want but save the tank if you trade it in some day.
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wested, welcome ti iRV2.com. We are glad to have you join us here and we look forward to reading of your adventures and experiences. I learned a long time ago that anything was possible. Many of the FEMA trailers do not have a holding tank and must be hard plumbed into a sewer system. If you are not going to move it much you may concider a park model. Good luck and keep us posted as to the progress you make.
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Old 03-26-2007, 02:08 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies. I think the saleman was saying that becauce he wants to sell a 2005 travel trailer but after looking into the construction the fifth wheeler looks far superior. It's built so well that in ten years I was thinking of using it to travel the country when I retire. For now, I want to park it in a trailer park and having a regular toilet would make life a little easier. It looks like a lot of work about a hundred screws
just to get to the tank, but I think it will pay off in the long run.
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Welcome to the forum. A couple of concerns I would have is if you leave the OEM toilet in the trailer you will need to rig a P-trap under it. This will hold water and keep the sewer gasses from backing up into the trailer. The other thing is the water pressure needed to flush matter through the P-trap. It can be done, but I would just suggest keeping the set up as is, save money and it is ready to go when you get ready without any mods to be done.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:08 PM   #8
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A house toilet has the trap already built into the design.All other fixtures in the trailer have traps in the plumbing.Depending on the layout of the black tank and drain you may be able to just leave the valve open and connect the line .
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">you may be able to just leave the valve open and connect the line . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't do this. The liquids will run out fast and the solids will build up. It won't be a nice thing. I've seen it happen.
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Old 04-03-2007, 06:49 PM   #10
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Charliez with a trailer toilet the flush water is very little.A house toilet uses much more water with each flush.
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True, but it wil not be flowing like a regular house setup. It will be falling into a tank, then flowing out. Big diffrence. The solids will stay in the tank and the liquids will flow out.
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There have been some good points made here. The main problem I would see with putting the household tolet in is the size of it. I never measured the rough in for a camper toilet, but the standard on a household one is at 12 " off the finished wall to the center of the drain, then it will be 27 1/2" off the wall to teh front of the bowl. How much space would you have for it?
A lot of park models do come without holding tanks and with regular toilets.
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Robert,
I don't know your age (or the age of your knees) but you might want to re-think going from a "flat" floor to a multiple-level 5th wheel. We had a 5th wheel for 10 years, but the old joints finally opted in favor of a coach with a flat floor. All of this is totally aside from the toilet question, but maybe something you should consider.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by charliez:
True, but it wil not be flowing like a regular house setup. It will be falling into a tank, then flowing out. Big diffrence. The solids will stay in the tank and the liquids will flow out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe he had stated that he would be removing the tank and running a pipe directly to the outlet.
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