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Old 07-19-2019, 01:09 PM   #1
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Do I have enough truck?

I'm currently looking at buying a new Grand Design 290BH. This is their 150 Series, advertised as half ton towable.

The trailer is 34' 1" long, dry pin weight of 1,280lbs. UVW 8,176 and GVWR of 10,195.

My truck is a 2012 Duramax 2500 Crew Cab 6.5' bed. No airbags, or any other suspension modifications. Not tuned or deleted, bone stock truck.
GVWR 10,000
Payload 2,403

530lbs of passengers
150lbs for 5th wheel hitch?? (not sure)
xx lbs for stuff in the truck

I'll be cutting it close on payload once I load the stuff in the trailer, and add a second low pro AC in the front bedroom. (100lbs)

Thanks in advance for your honest opinions. Am I good, or should I run back to the bumper pull lot where I belong? (I currently have a 25ft coachman apex)
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:48 PM   #3
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I would have no issue pulling that trailer with your truck. For about $1000 you can put a goosebox on it and only need a gooseneck ball in the bed to save some payload. You can spend the same or more putting a quality fiver hitch in so cost wise would be a wash. If you do go over with conventional hitch it won’t be by much and well under your rear GAWR.
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I would have no issue pulling that trailer with your truck. For about $1000 you can put a goosebox on it and only need a gooseneck ball in the bed to save some payload. You can spend the same or more putting a quality fiver hitch in so cost wise would be a wash. If you do go over with conventional hitch it wonít be by much and well under your rear GAWR.


Thanks, didn't really think about a goosebox.
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I'm currently looking at buying a new Grand Design 290BH. This is their 150 Series, advertised as half ton towable.

The trailer is 34' 1" long, dry pin weight of 1,280lbs. UVW 8,176 and GVWR of 10,195.

My truck is a 2012 Duramax 2500 Crew Cab 6.5' bed. No airbags, or any other suspension modifications. Not tuned or deleted, bone stock truck.
GVWR 10,000
Payload 2,403

530lbs of passengers
150lbs for 5th wheel hitch?? (not sure)
xx lbs for stuff in the truck

I'll be cutting it close on payload once I load the stuff in the trailer, and add a second low pro AC in the front bedroom. (100lbs)

Thanks in advance for your honest opinions. Am I good, or should I run back to the bumper pull lot where I belong? (I currently have a 25ft coachman apex)

You don't mention your trucks GCWR.
That number should help answer your question.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:21 PM   #6
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You don't mention your trucks GCWR.
That number should help answer your question.

24,500 is the GCWR.

I'd be well under GVW, GCVW, GAWR.... it's the payload where I'm walking on a tight rope.
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24,500 is the GCWR.



I'd be well under GVW, GCVW, GAWR.... it's the payload where I'm walking on a tight rope.
1280 + 530 = 1810
10000 * .15 (15%)= 1500 added for loaded pin.
1810 + 1500 = 3310# estimated fully loaded pin weight and passengers.
2403 - 1810 = 593# spare payload.

That's just an estimate mind you. And that doesn't count the 5th wheel hitch or any extra cargo you put in the truck. You will need to load your 5th wheel and take it to the scales to verify.

Will you actually fully load the RV? Probably not unless you full time it but with less than 600# payload left you will probably want to gooseneck it and pack light. Again, these are estimates. I am not a salesman trying to make money off of you.

I have been running these same numbers for myself to help me decide what my next truck will be when I start 5th wheel shopping. Probably a Ram 3500 or Ford F350 just for over kill. SRW if I can get away with it but DRW is most likely where I will land because I like to enjoy my trips. Not white knuckle them.
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I'm currently looking at buying a new Grand Design 290BH. This is their 150 Series, advertised as half ton towable.

The trailer is 34' 1" long, dry pin weight of 1,280lbs. UVW 8,176 and GVWR of 10,195.

My truck is a 2012 Duramax 2500 Crew Cab 6.5' bed. No airbags, or any other suspension modifications. Not tuned or deleted, bone stock truck.
GVWR 10,000
Payload 2,403

530lbs of passengers
150lbs for 5th wheel hitch?? (not sure)
xx lbs for stuff in the truck

I'll be cutting it close on payload once I load the stuff in the trailer, and add a second low pro AC in the front bedroom. (100lbs)

Thanks in advance for your honest opinions. Am I good, or should I run back to the bumper pull lot where I belong? (I currently have a 25ft coachman apex)
Lets break this down correctly, since no one else has. With a GVWR of 10,195 on the trailer, if it is loaded to or near the total GVWR, you are going to be looking at approx. 2000 lbs of pin weight alone. Add in another 175 lbs for a 5ver hitch (if you go that route), and you are now at 2200 lbs....pin and hitch. Add in the 530 lbs of passengers and you are now at 2730 lbs. Also, anything and everything else that is loaded in the truck.....truckbed tool box with tools, firewood, grill, extra fuel, etc, also has to be considered against the payload. As I have no idea what else you may or may not add to the truck, I'll leave that number up to you....it could be several hundred more pounds or it could be almost nothing. Let's assume nothing else besides the things you mentioned in your original post. You have 2730 lbs vs. a 2403 payload capacity, so you are at a minimum, 300+ lbs overloaded on the payload side of things. Remember, if you are overloaded on payload, that automatically puts you OVER the GVWR on the truck too. Another thing to consider, which may or may not be the case; the payload sticker number of 2403 was the payload capacity for the truck the day it was built in 2012. Anything you may have added since then takes away from the available payload......spray in bedliner, bed cover, running boards, toolbox, etc. Like I previously stated, I have no idea how much if any of that has happened, so keep all of that in mind. Bottom line is that you are starting off over your payload and GVWR on the truck....and the truck is approx. 7 years old....which means it ain't like new anymore....suspension components, brakes, tires, etc, etc. My opinion is that you looking at a bit too much trailer for the truck you have, but the final decision is up to you.
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Sounds like a good combo to me, and will tow better than a TT.
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24,500 is the GCWR.

I'd be well under GVW, GCVW, GAWR.... it's the payload where I'm walking on a tight rope.
This sentence makes no sense to me. All my life, GVWR minus the empty weight of the vehicle is the payload of the vehicle. GCVWR minus the MT weight of the combination is the payload. You might overload a axle before you get to the rating but..
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Thanks, didn't really think about a goosebox.
You may check with Grand Design about that. Seems I read this is a proprietary pin box and is not interchangeable with other boxes. I may be wrong , but this is what my old memory recalls. Another source would be the GD owners forum.
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Sounds like a good combo to me, and will tow better than a TT.
So, what you are saying that you think that being over the payload capacity AND the GVWR of the truck....sounds like a "good combination!" I would have to respectfully disagree with that statement!
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Another well matched combo. The truck sure won't have any issues pulling...stopping....starting....or carrying that small 5er.
GM gives your truck a 6200 RAWR. The trucks rear axle can weigh in the 2800-3000 lb range leaving over 3000 lb in the bed payload. Actual scaled axle weights tells the real story.

One of my trucks is a '03 2500 Dodge/Cummins with a 6000 rawr. I scale all my trucks front and rear axles , that way I know how much weight I can safely/legally carry. This trucks rear axle weighs 2860-2880 lbs which leave's it also with over 3000 lb in the bed payload. Typical 3/4 ton truck weights.
Right now it has my 11200 lb 5th wheel trailer hooked up and ready to go. The truck rear axle weight is in the 5200-5400 lb range depending on how much stuff the wife packs for our 3 week trip . Going to the mountains where its cooler.

Some folks stress out for exceeding a trucks tire placard payload sticker....or a GVWR number....or a GCWR number....or some sort of percentage of a gross weigh/other numbers. Just stay under any trucks GAWRs and in particular its RAWR as its carrying all the load in the bed.
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24,500 is the GCWR.

I'd be well under GVW, GCVW, GAWR.... it's the payload where I'm walking on a tight rope.

I'll probably have lots of people disagree with me here, but, don't worry about GVWR. Just make sure you're not over any of your axle ratings and you'll be fine. GVWR is just a number so that you can meet registration requirements or fit nicely into truck classes. It isn't the end-all-limitation that some people think it is.
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