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Old 06-04-2014, 09:09 AM   #1
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Our family of 3 (Mom Dad 10yo daughter) will be moving up from a bumper pull to a 5er. Our tow vehicle is a 2011 Dodge ram 2500 diesel short box.
We like the 2014 Jayco eagle premier 375BHFS and the 2014 keystone mountineer 365TBF .

Any advice/help is appreciated. Please feel free to mention any other rv options that you think could work for us.
I hope to keep the budget around $50,000.
-Dulcinea
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:49 PM   #2
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Our family of 3 (Mom Dad 10yo daughter) will be moving up from a bumper pull to a 5er. Our tow vehicle is a 2011 Dodge ram 2500 diesel short box.
We like the 2014 Jayco eagle premier 375BHFS and the 2014 keystone mountineer 365TBF .

Any advice/help is appreciated. Please feel free to mention any other rv options that you think could work for us.
I hope to keep the budget around $50,000.
-Dulcinea
First welcome to the site.

What style of Ram do you have a Mega Cab or a Quad cab? What is the gear ratio that you have and is it a 4X4 also stick or automatic. All of these parameters will affect what your max tow weight should be with a 5er.


See attached link to the Ram Body Builders Guide which is a free downloadable PDF file. For your max trailer tow rating on your truck.

http://www.rambodybuilder.com/year.pdf

Click on the link for 2004-2013 trucks than the Ram Icon; Pick your cab style, than under the Technical Information header. There is the; Base Weights/GCW/Payload/Trail Tow; than 2500 model you will than need to pick your wheel base this takes you right to the pages you need to figure out your towing needs.

I think the Eagle Premier 375BHFS and the Keystone Mountaineer 365TBF may be too heavy of a 5er for your truck since the GCVW rating maybe higher then what is listed or your door placard. You may need a one ton truck and or scale back you’re 5er needs. Just my opinion.

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Old 06-04-2014, 08:03 PM   #3
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The truck will tow 17,000 lbs. Thanks for your recommendation.
2011 dodge ram 2500 Laramie -6.7L cummins turbo diesel -with exhaust brake- crew cab-6'4". - automatic -4x4 - axle ratio 3.42.
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:25 AM   #4
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The truck will tow 17,000 lbs. Thanks for your recommendation.
2011 dodge ram 2500 Laramie -6.7L cummins turbo diesel -with exhaust brake- crew cab-6'4". - automatic -4x4 - axle ratio 3.42.
Are you sure that you read the chart correctly?

Per the chart I provided to you the GCVW for your truck is a max of 17,000 LBS and a max trailer weight of 9,700 LBS. The trailers that you are looking at are all over 13K if I remember correctly.

For example on my 2008, 2500 Mega Cab, 6.7L, 68RFE, 4X4, 3:73 gear set my GCVW is 20,000 LBS and a max trailer towing of 12,450 LBS. This needs to be decreased by what the truck is carrying in tools and passengers.

So I pull a 318SAB Cougar that has a combined vehicle eight of 18,240 LBS with a front axle weight of 4,940 LBS, Rear axle weight of 5,160 LBS and a trailer axle weight of 8,140 LBS. I feel comfortable in pulling this and the tucks performs with in the parameters as specified by RAM when towing.

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Thank you for helping me. Some salesmen will tell you anything.
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:26 PM   #6
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I used my vin # to get this info. I don't think I will have the truck at "full payload" however, I would hate to be overloaded.
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I have a 2003 F250 7.3 diesel supercab short bed 2wd. It's supposed to be good for a little over 13k towing. My idea is to limit myself to a fifth wheel with no more than 11K lbs. dry weight.

After looking around, I've decided to go with the Grand Design Reflection line of fifth wheels. It's a new company, but they've just built their 1000th fifth wheel in just 15 months. They're going to be a force to be reckoned with in the industry.

Many of the larger fifth wheels simply require dual rear wheel one ton diesel trucks.
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:22 PM   #8
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Thanks Bamaman. I did a quick look on line at the grand design and see that the 323bhs has a GVRW of 13,995.
That looks heavy for us. I appreciate the information and thanks for introducing me to a new product.
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My husband and I like a separate space for our daughter. That is why we prefer a bunkhouse.
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You need to look at payload, not towing capacity.
That big of a 5'ver will probably have a pin weight of up to 3500 lbs.
Too much for a 2500....
Dry pin weight on the Jayco is listed as 2500 lbs. And that's before propane tanks, a/c's, batteries, etc. Actual pin weight will probably be closer to 3000 lbs. before you load it up with water and furnishings.
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I do not concern myself with payload in the bed of the truck and Ram engineers agree with me on this also. If you look at the web site I furnished; you will see in the foot notes where the engineer’s state and I quote" That the GAWR and the GVWR should never be exceeded.”
This is in foot note 3 for the 2011 model year trucks. For the model year 2013 and on Ram has modified this statement to read and I Quote: Payload and maximum trailer weight are mutually exclusive”, foot note 3 on the 2013 2500/3500 Ram Body Builders Guide.

So in my case my axle loads are under the GAWR for both the front and rear but if you add them up I am slightly over the GVWR for a 2008, 2500 Mega Cab truck. I believe the GVWR is limited on a 2500 to 9,000 LBS but the GVW of a 2008, 3500 Mega Cab is set to 10,500 LBS which I am under. For that model year the only item that is different between the 2500 and 3500 SRW trucks is one extra leaf spring which provides the increase weight carrying capacity for the truck.

Just more food for thought.
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Thank you everyone. You gave me a lot to think about.
All of your help was appreciated.
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No 3/4 ton should be towing more than 12k . Too many people out there think that because they put air bags and a chip in there 2500 that noe they can tow a toy hauler. Please let me know when your out, so I can stay off the road.
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The only difference between a 2012 and earlier Ram 2500 and 3500 is the rear spring pack. Add bags, springs or Timbrens and you have a 3500. Same frame, running gear brakes, etc.
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I do not concern myself with payload in the bed of the truck and Ram engineers agree with me on this also. If you look at the web site I furnished; you will see in the foot notes where the engineer’s state and I quote" That the GAWR and the GVWR should never be exceeded.”
This is in foot note 3 for the 2011 model year trucks. For the model year 2013 and on Ram has modified this statement to read and I Quote: Payload and maximum trailer weight are mutually exclusive”, foot note 3 on the 2013 2500/3500 Ram Body Builders Guide.

So in my case my axle loads are under the GAWR for both the front and rear but if you add them up I am slightly over the GVWR for a 2008, 2500 Mega Cab truck. I believe the GVWR is limited on a 2500 to 9,000 LBS but the GVW of a 2008, 3500 Mega Cab is set to 10,500 LBS which I am under. For that model year the only item that is different between the 2500 and 3500 SRW trucks is one extra leaf spring which provides the increase weight carrying capacity for the truck.

Just more food for thought.
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"e" rated tires limits you to 6000ish gross rear axle on a non dually. That doesn't leave a lot for pin weight
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