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Old 04-25-2013, 06:01 AM   #43
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Well Sir,

I find it amusing that you can tell me what I have and don't have in my Larant FordvF150 that DOES have the tow package but I can assure you that it does and the primary reason for UPGRADING to a newer and much more productive truck in terms of towing my Jayco.

In addition, having served in Iraq has plenty to do with with the safe operation of my rig for several reasons: I drove TT's in a transportation unit that not only supported the war but also support driving cross country on various tenures which supports my statement in terms of safe operation of over 3 million miles. I served from 1977-2003 with a break from 1980-1985 to serve in the US Merchant Marines(SIU) & ( Military Sealift Command).


I just read on a FORD spec PDF that my truck can safely haul up to 11,300 pounds sir that's why I bought it and traded in the 2011. Try Googling it like I did and there you will see the specs.


You seem knowledgable but for you to tell me what I do and don't have sorta rubs me the wrong way when the reason for the upgrade was specifically for the TOW PACKAGE. I had to have trailer brake controller added to my 2011 as well as the wiring for the trailer. The new truck already has both installed in addition to another pin box for a different type trailer.

Besides, do you realize how many times I have been OVERWEIGHT driving a govt vehicle on US Highways and SAFELY operated the truck KNOWING I was overweight? So in your past post in regards to ford not suggesting that my truck is safe and I'm not operating under safe conditions truly is bogus. They don't care and under certain conditions neither do I. If every p/u truck with a 5er were regulated to pull in the scales and get weighed; many of us would be ticketed and put out of service.

I'm not here to debate, I did plenty of that in undergrad and grad school but before you tell me what and what my truck has you have to just wait until I post the numbers you requested on the door of my truck and or get a truck scale readout from a Cat Scale.

I did upload a pic of the trailer and truck. Not sure if you can take a peek

Until then; Happy Camping & Happy trails!
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:28 AM   #45
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I'm looking hard at the HT bus or the flagstaff super lite 8528bhws... Ford plant was helpful in talking about how the truck was built.

Love my ecoboost.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:18 AM   #46
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Just remember the majority of half tons today never see any load in the box and sold as such. Springs look more car like and wheels and tires are for ride.
A friend bought a 5th wheel that with past experience he could have pulled with a GM 1500. So he added one more ply to the springs but found out no one would install LT tires on the stock rims. The HD 1500 comes with LT tires and rims.
In the past all trucks came stock with LTs.
I though I could haul my former trailer with my diesel half ton with same power train as the 3/4 tons, though my springs held it, 50 lbs of air in the rear tires did not hold the pin load and so i moved on. And as for the price of the engine and limitations of the F150 I will keep my Super Duty for A long time. How else can i own a truck that haul most 5th wheels available at a cost of $1000 per year and get me up tp 26 mpg highway.
Besides lite trailers are just that. Build with inferior weight materials, weak axles and tires, twisting frames and roofs that you can't walk on to maintain that will leak. Not if but when. And over priced like half tons that hauls them. And i say this because i have seen it with owners not knowing before they bought. I myself haul heavy because i know quality and value.
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Just Keep this in mind. If your trailer has a posted GVWR that is higher then what your truck can handle and you get into a bad accident. Your insurance may not cover you and you could be criminally liable.

It has happened in the past and the RV'er it happened to was only 200lb over and lost. The other car ran a stop sign and he still lost because he was towing a trailer that could have been to big for his truck.

Most have towed over weight and it was safe and stable but remember that a good lawyer will find something if they can. It is better to be safe then sorry. Lawyers are not stable most politician are lawyers.
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Just remember the majority of half tons today never see any load in the box and sold as such. Springs look more car like and wheels and tires are for ride.
A friend bought a 5th wheel that with past experience he could have pulled with a GM 1500. So he added one more ply to the springs but found out no one would install LT tires on the stock rims. The HD 1500 comes with LT tires and rims.
In the past all trucks came stock with LTs.
I though I could haul my former trailer with my diesel half ton with same power train as the 3/4 tons, though my springs held it, 50 lbs of air in the rear tires did not hold the pin load and so i moved on. And as for the price of the engine and limitations of the F150 I will keep my Super Duty for A long time. How else can i own a truck that haul most 5th wheels available at a cost of $1000 per year and get me up tp 26 mpg highway.
Besides lite trailers are just that. Build with inferior weight materials, weak axles and tires, twisting frames and roofs that you can't walk on to maintain that will leak. Not if but when. And over priced like half tons that hauls them. And i say this because i have seen it with owners not knowing before they bought. I myself haul heavy because i know quality and value.
Your friend should've went to Discount tires. They put LT's on my F150 with stock 18" rims. Lots of people have had LT's installed on F150's with stock rims.
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Diesel, I would hate to see the gas miliage pulling with a 150/1500
I get 10-11 mpg towing a 9K fiver with my F150. I only got 8-9 with a 5.5K TT towing with a Tundra 4.7 V8.
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Just for the record, the F150 has a tow package option, and then a Max Tow option that adds 500 lbs to the payload (about 1350 up to 1850), and the HD or Max Payload option adds another 500 lbs to the payload (about 2400) with a heaver rear axle, 17" 7 lug wheels with LRE tires. In my opinion, without at least the Max Tow option, you should not be looking at fifth wheels. The drive train with Ecoboost (axle excluded) is the same for all, but Max Tow and HD have 3.73 rear ends. If it is a 5.0L V8, then it can't be Max Tow, but can have the tow package.
With Max Tow, try to stay below a dry pin weight of 1200 lbs and 1400 lbs for the HD Payload. Loaded, you can expect another 250 lbs on the pin, so forget about hauling firewood and generators.
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We had to trade our regular pickup (Dodge Ram1500) for a heavier towing truck. We got a Dodge Ram Dual Cab 2500 To pull a 39 foot fiver. Reconsider
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I just read on a FORD spec PDF that my truck can safely haul up to 11,300 pounds sir that's why I bought it and traded in the 2011. Try Googling it like I did and there you will see the specs.
Yes and you do not understand the tow ratings. The 11,300# is based on a base model truck with only a 150# driver on board. For every pound you add in cargo, accessories and passengers and hitch, you reduce the towing capacity. Read a bit further in the fine print and they also say something to the effect to not exceed any of the manufacturers ratings...GAWR, GVWR and GCWR. So the only way you will know for sure is to take you loaded and wet truck to the scales and get the true, real world weight and do some simple math to see just how much is left for trailer towing within manufacturers limits.

Yes, a 1/2 ton truck can tow a trailer, if properly equipped. I have no doubt about this , but follow the manufactures GAWR, GCWR and GVWR and not the inflated sales literature.

Also, thank you for your service to our country.

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There is a lot of outdated information in the towing community in regards to what can and can't be done with a half-ton. Both the trucks and the RVs are changing to meet public desires. A properly equipped F150 (I will only speak to Ford on this) can do more than F250s of 10 years ago and almost what a standard F250 of today can do. The Max Tow and HD Payload options are spec'd for a payload of about 2400 lbs. That means a dry pin weight of up to about 1400 lbs without firewood and generator. It also means you have to be aware of family, friends, gear, etc because that all eats into the payload.
RV makers are now making mid-profile (12' high) fivers with half-ton towing in mind. That means a bedroom you can stand upright in, a comfortable size for a couple and maybe a small family and somewhat decent construction. These newer models have aerodynamic noses for better mileage and easier towing. The Reese Sidewinder pin box means no concerns for 5.5' bed and the new cut-aways with extended pin boxes mean no slider hitch required for 6.5' beds.
I am returning from a 7000 mile trip with my 9500 lb fiver towed by my 2011 F150 Ecoboost rated for 11200 lbs. I've had no trouble with stability, stopping or keeping up speed with headwinds or grades. At no time have I wished for a Super Duty because my truck couldn't do the job well enough.
But you have to do your homework! Dealers will lie to you to make a sale and your ignorance of your truck and RV can be dangerous. You need to know not to carry firewood or generators, to not load heavy items in the basement, to understand that dry weights are not the same as loaded weights. Figure on 250-350 lbs added to the pin and 1500 lbs to the trailer when loaded. Avoid older flat-nosed designed that add to wind resistance. Figure out what family and gear will take from the truck's payload.
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There is a lot of outdated information in the towing community in regards to what can and can't be done with a half-ton. Both the trucks and the RVs are changing to meet public desires. A properly equipped F150 (I will only speak to Ford on this) can do more than F250s of 10 years ago and almost what a standard F250 of today can do. The Max Tow and HD Payload options are spec'd for a payload of about 2400 lbs. That means a dry pin weight of up to about 1400 lbs without firewood and generator. It also means you have to be aware of family, friends, gear, etc because that all eats into the payload.
RV makers are now making mid-profile (12' high) fivers with half-ton towing in mind. That means a bedroom you can stand upright in, a comfortable size for a couple and maybe a small family and somewhat decent construction. These newer models have aerodynamic noses for better mileage and easier towing. The Reese Sidewinder pin box means no concerns for 5.5' bed and the new cut-aways with extended pin boxes mean no slider hitch required for 6.5' beds.
I am returning from a 7000 mile trip with my 9500 lb fiver towed by my 2011 F150 Ecoboost rated for 11200 lbs. I've had no trouble with stability, stopping or keeping up speed with headwinds or grades. At no time have I wished for a Super Duty because my truck couldn't do the job well enough.
But you have to do your homework! Dealers will lie to you to make a sale and your ignorance of your truck and RV can be dangerous. You need to know not to carry firewood or generators, to not load heavy items in the basement, to understand that dry weights are not the same as loaded weights. Figure on 250-350 lbs added to the pin and 1500 lbs to the trailer when loaded. Avoid older flat-nosed designed that add to wind resistance. Figure out what family and gear will take from the truck's payload.
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There are plenty of 5ers that the f150 will pull. Don't let them scare you. Mine pulls great and is very stable even in 20+mph crosswinds. No problems from passing semis either. I will never pull a bumper pull again. The lower trim level truck with less options will net you even more payload capacity, now they are even making a heavy duty f150. They will easily outdo older heavy duty trucks. If you have an eco you will have no problems. I have the 5.4 and mine holds about 2100 rpms going 65 on flat land, downshifts going up hills. The 5.0 doesn't have as good of a torque curve as the 5.4 and is rated for less towing weight but I've never pulled with one so I can't say how much different it would be. I'm not sure how mine would react to the rockies but I have no problems with the small hills where I travel. Thinking of heading to az this winter with it but I might go around the mountains instead of over them.
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Skismuggs,

I agree with the fact that the newer 1/2 ton trucks are rated to tow more than the older ones. However you still need to heed the manufactures ratings fro GVWR, GAWR and GCWR. You can not blindly go by the brochure "tow ratings". Read ALL of the fine print pertaining to the "Tow Rating".

Just remember that small trucks pull small trailers and big trucks pull big trailers.

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