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Old 08-05-2016, 10:15 AM   #1
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F250 Towing Question

We're looking into getting a fifth wheel and there is one we like that's 9,000 lbs. dry weight. We have a 2006 Ford F250 6.0L Turbo Diesel. I know the max TT is 12,500. Does that change for a fifth wheel and would 9,000 lbs. be too much?

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We owned a 06 F350. The bigger issue is that 6 litre or fix litre. We have a Cougar 327RES which weighed in at 10.5 k lbs empty. And full it weight probably around 12 maybe 12.5 k. We bought the Ford extended warranty when we bought the truck. When we bought the F350 it had about 55 k miles. We had the truck for 3 years and during that time we replaced the high pressure oil pump, cracked intercooler pipe/hoseand two turbos. It was a bit of a theme with this vehicle.....under load pulling the 5er up hill the turbo would burn up. We wanted to install a parometer but Ford advised it would void the warranty. We sold the 06 and bought a 2011 F350 which has been an amazing experience. Went from having no confidence in our truck to complete confidence in the 11 F350. And man can that truck pull......it was like night and day. If I could give you a piece of advise it would be upgrade out of the 6 litre....period.....Any other make of truck but that engine.
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F250 Towing Question

Have had an 04 f450 with 6.0, never chipped and had one turbo replaced under warranty mostly due to me not using it enough. I did have a bulletproof egr cooler installed at 32,000 miles due to what I read about issues with the stock cooler. I also found out that coolant maintenance is critical and the Ford Gold coolant may ir may not be the best to use after a flush or coolant change. Regardless, I have no complaints about the 6.0, it does a great job towing and the transmission is a strong point with me. I do have the 4:30 rear end which makes towing my 36re mobile suites a breeze. Just came through Rockies a few weeks back after a 5000 mile round trip out west and truck and engine performed flawlessly with a 10.2 mpg avg. for the trip. I believe the 6.0 was the built by international and was basically the same as what ran in the school buses for years. Ford changed the oil cooling configuration which seemed to be the main concern with the 6.0. I suspect this has something to do with emission requirements. In any case, a well maintained 6.0 that has been upgraded with bulletproof components may be one of the best diesel engines around. Also, I installed a pillar turbo boost gauge, a transmission temp gauge and a PYROMETER gauge as soon as I bought the truck new. No warranty issues were ever affected by the gauge installation. Maintain it correctly and it will last a long time.
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Aside from the merits of the truck brand / model stated, I cannot attest to. In theory the weights you're talking about are indeed feasible.
Dry weight is irrelevant, largely because no one travels with a stark empty truck or trailer. Max trailer towing rating is misleading also.
Estimating that you'll come in closer to 11K with a pin weight of maybe 1800 - 2000 lbs. Next add everything in the truck over a 150# driver.
Check the B-pillar sticker on your truck, the one with the tire pressures. MAX Payload xxxx lbs. passengers and equip. This number is more relevant to you.
Rolling over a CAT scale is a more accurate way to determine your goals and accuracy.

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If you can afford it, get a newer F250-F350 with the 6.7 Powerstroke diesel. You will out-pull your current truck by 10! A lot of the early issues with these motors have been worked out since 2011. Never worry about trailer weights once you do. These engines are pulling monsters.
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Go here for '06 Ford tow specs then go down to bottom half of page 17. Should provide all the information you need. As already mentioned, you also must determine what your payload/rear axle capacities are as found on the truck label.
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Your loaded pin weight is going to be more important than your loaded trailer weight. If your F250 is a crew cab, and a 4x4, coupled with the heavy diesel engine, you probably don't have enough weight capacity on that truck to pull that 5er.

We're pulling our 5er at a loaded, scaled weight of 11,800, which is UNDER our max trailer weight spec for our truck. But our loaded and scaled pin weight is 2520 lbs, which with the added weight of the hitch, the tools, and all other related items we keep in our truck, puts us right on the hairy edge of max capacity on our truck. And our rated capacity for our truck, off of our door jam sticker is 3156 lbs. We also have right at 300 lbs capacity cushion (iirc) on our rear tires.

I would expect your loaded pin weight to come in at least as heavy as ours, if not a bit more.

Loaded pin weights, axle weights, and rear tire weights are much more important on a single rear wheel truck than loaded trailer weights.
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Originally Posted by Lori Meyer View Post
We're looking into getting a fifth wheel and there is one we like that's 9,000 lbs. dry weight. We have a 2006 Ford F250 6.0L Turbo Diesel. I know the max TT is 12,500. Does that change for a fifth wheel and would 9,000 lbs. be too much?

Thanks so much for your input!
IMO dry weight should never be considered when looking for something to tow a RV trailer with. Use the trailer's GVWR and you will always be in the ballpark. Only people I know that might haul an empty RV trailer would be transporters.
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You need to calculate what the pin weight would be when loaded. The safe bet is to use 25% of the max weight of the 5er. In your case 2750 odd. That's just the weight on the back axle.
There are numerous weights that you need to check.
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Originally Posted by bradufault View Post
You need to calculate what the pin weight would be when loaded. The safe bet is to use 25% of the max weight of the 5er. In your case 2750 odd. That's just the weight on the back axle.
There are numerous weights that you need to check.
And don't forget the weight of the hitch , depending on the set up ( slider, articulating , brand and brackets to the frame ) you could be adding 300>350 lbs. to the rear axle alone , before the pin weight hits the truck.

You need to hit the scales and get the loaded for travel ; passengers and gear; full of fuel ; and get 3 weights , front axle , rear axle & total , to calculate how much more weight the truck can handle , and still be under the factory, axle weight rating numbers.
You'll find you'll overload the rear axle , long before you get close to the max trailer weight capacity the factory CLAIMS.
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Yes, your truck will be able to tow a much heavier 5th wheel, up to about 15,000 to 16,000 pounds according the Trailer Life Towing Guide depending on how your truck is equiped.
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Old 08-07-2016, 07:14 PM   #13
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A 9000 lb dry may be 10500-11000 lbs wet. The F250 won't have any problems pulling or carrying that trailer hitch weight plus all the other gear in the truck. Your '06 F250 6.0 is rated to tow 5th wheel/GN trailers from 15400 lbs to 16400 lbs. Looks like a good match.

I pull a 11200 lb 5th wheel with a 2500 Dodge/Cummins. The trucks is under front axle/tire load rating by 450 lbs and under rear axle/tire load rating by 600-700 lbs depending on how the combo is loaded.
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There is a lot of good info shared in this thread. This weekend I upgraded my TV to a Dually. Last trip out I ran my rig over a Cat scale. I found that when loaded up my 15000 lbs Cedar Creek put my 2500 Ram 200 lbs over the rear axle weight and 1700 over gvwr. While it handled it great and felt in control at all times, I knew it was a potential problem with a state trooper or my insurance company.

You can never have too much truck, but a 2500 can easily get beyond it's ratings.

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