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Old 09-28-2015, 08:49 PM   #29
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Looks like the same floor plan as my Cardinal, very nice camper you purchased!
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Old 09-28-2015, 08:59 PM   #30
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I've looked at a lot of 5th wheels. There definitely are different grades of quality.
Although the Cardinal may not be in the upper echelon of 5ers, I have looked at the quality (I'm a carpenter by trade) and find it light years above many brands I looked at.
This is our first 5th wheel and for what I got it for, I couldn't pass this one up. Not many come with full body paint and all the things we wanted and didn't break the bank.
We'll use it for a bit and make some decisions on what's next.
The condition is great and so far we're happy with the RV and its amenities. Time will tell.
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:20 AM   #31
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Looks like the same floor plan as my Cardinal, very nice camper you purchased!
You have the same model. What year is yours?
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Old 09-29-2015, 07:28 PM   #32
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I have a 30-30 Cardinal they are good units for the money and made better then most in that price range. Most importantly they stand behind the product.
Join the Cardinal Rv club it is free, great bunch of people ,fun rallies and someone there that can answer any question you may have about Cardinals.
We are also very close to Cardinal management.
Good luck with your bird.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:42 PM   #33
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We went from a 2011 Tiffin Allegro RED to a 2016 Coachman Chaparral/Dodge 3500. First, cost is about 1/2 what it was. Fuel economy went from 8 mpg to 12-13 mpg. Insurance dropped dramatically. Our prime motivator is that we had never-ending, continuous issues with the Tiffin (I know, everyone else loves theirs; we got the lemon). I think we paid over $11K in maintenance in our last year of ownership. So far, zero maintenance costs with a 5er, and considerably cheaper maintenance on the truck.


Having said all that, I LOVE the storage on the 5'er. I still have empty cabinets. I elected not to have a washer/dryer (had one on the Tiffin) and don't miss it. Yes, we still provide local amusement for our friends when we have to back in to a spot, but that's getting better. Having had a C, a gas A, 2 diesel As, and now the 5'er, I'm very, very, very happy with our decision.
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Old 10-14-2015, 11:46 PM   #34
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We just made the switch this summer. We had an '05 Itasca Class A (30 ft gas) and I bought a new truck (2015 Chev 3500 "High Country") to use around the acreage and travel up to our cabin so decided on a new 5th wheel. The MH was requiring more maintenance for the few times we were using it. Decided on the Glacier Peak 26CIS built in Le Grande Oregon. We are totally impressed and happy with our move. Recently went to the factory (Outdoors RV Mfg) and took the factory tour. Very happy with the unit. Looking forward to a month in Palm Springs in March ....and will not have to rent a car! Alex
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Old 10-21-2015, 11:21 AM   #35
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Very interesting read. Obviously folks have different needs and wants. For us, cost of ownership is something we always keep in mind. We are currently searching for a newer lightly used fifth. Contrary to what it seems most folks are happy with, we are going smaller and lighter. Enough living space to accommodate us and our two large dogs is all we need.

We travel around 4 months out of a year. Away from home a month at a time but back in time to get the mail, pay the bills, check the home, hike in the forest, take a few rides with friends, etc.

Also we differ in that we tend to stay at least a week at a time so we can relax and enjoy exploring. In the future we may stay as long as a month. It all depends on where. And location of off leash dog parks.

We are slow travelers in that we usually are driving at the speed limit even though everyone passes us including the big trucks. We also stop every hour or two to stretch our legs, let the dogs out, and change drivers. Also time to use the head, make a sandwich, get a cold drink. Never in a hurry.

We see plenty of good looking motor homes as we travel and did give some serious thought to getting one. But, in the end, we decided to stay with a fifth. We have the truck (a 2004 RAM Cummins) that tows fine and gets an average of 12 to 14 mpg. Talking to MH owners at camp grounds it is interesting to hear about some of their issues. Cost of tires is a frequent one.

So it is just different strokes for different folks. The Cardinal you purchased is a beaut but at 40 feet I bet is bigger than my first apartment. At one time we had a 32 foot Cardinal and thought it a good rig. Enjoy your travels.
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We went from a 40' DP tag axle Bluebird Wanderlodge to a 36' DRV Mobile Suites pulled by a GMC crew cab diesel dual rear wheels. We have never looked back. More room, more economical and works better for us. I can double tow to carry our four-wheeler without major issues.

Just our two cents and Good Luck on your decision.
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Old 10-23-2015, 07:10 AM   #37
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We went from a 40' DP tag axle Bluebird Wanderlodge to a 36' DRV Mobile Suites pulled by a GMC crew cab diesel dual rear wheels. We have never looked back. More room, more economical and works better for us. I can double tow to carry our four-wheeler without major issues.

Just our two cents and Good Luck on your decision.
I have the same trailer with a DRW Ford and I'd love to tow my daily to florida with me but I thought I would exceed the limit. How long does the double make your total rig? I know there is a limit, 60 feet, right? What are the restrictions?
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:10 AM   #38
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The legal length is 65 ft . You are supposed to have a double endorsement and the rear trl should have brakes. There are many units that meet none of the criteria . If you have an accident and you don't meet the requirements you may have a problem. IMHO
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What Jack said. Our rig, a 36' DRV hooked to the GMC, is 54'-8" The tow behind trailer (With brakes) is 12'-1" including tongue. Just barely over the 65' generally accepted nation wide. There are exceptions to the 65' rule and IIRC a couple of states are shorter. As the state police explained to me since I was not in commercial service, in my privately owned vehicle, and obeying the speed and other regulations I would be OK and not need an endorsement. I see numerous trucks towing a trailer and boat, etc without any issues.

The limiting factor is the certified tow weight of the hitch on the trailer. Our DRV is limited to 3,000# of weight that can be towed behind the trailer. My tow behind trailer is 987# + a 710# four wheeler + steel fire pit at 67# so I am well under the limit in Hitch , GCVW etc. Good luck in your decision and set-up.
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As the state police explained to me....
What the state police said is only valid in that state, if even. Some states allow double tow RV, others don't. Lengths also vary around the country, but California (with the 65' length limit) seems to be the only ones that enforce it frequently.

Look at the Good Sam's site for size lengths. It shows what states allow double towing too.
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Thanks, I'm gonna look into double towing this year. I'd also like to thank y'all for supporting my decision not to go to a DP. I've been considering it for several years. I'm a major DIY shade tree mechanic guy and each year it gets a little harder to do the service on the 5er. I'm almost 73 and don't know how many more years I can go.

I am however surprised that no one said anything about the steep depreciation curve on the MH. I mean the trailer is just as steep but with the MH you start so much higher. There is a big difference in turning 250K into 100k and turning 70K into 25K. When I get to the campground and I'm right next to the high dollar DP I must admit I feel some envy. But while I'm waiting for the 5er to cool down I just sit and sip my diet coke and look at those 22.5 inch tires and wonder what it would be like to change the inside dual wheel. Or, to buy one. Ouch.

I've not found any system on the 5er (except the micro wave) that I couldn't repair myself. That saves me a lot of money. The two times I have tried to use an RV dealer the results have been exasperating. I'm not sure how much MH maintenance I could do myself so I was thinking of buying one and just finding and using a dealer to maintain it. The comments on here have helped me avoid the urge and saved the grand kids college money. Thanks.
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What the state police said is only valid in that state, if even. Some states allow double tow RV, others don't. Lengths also vary around the country, but California (with the 65' length limit) seems to be the only ones that enforce it frequently.

Look at the Good Sam's site for size lengths. It shows what states allow double towing too.
OK, thanks. Looks like I can do 65 ft in florida but I can't get out of my driveway as GA. is 60 ft. Dont see how I can stay below that. I'll measure though just in case.
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