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Old 11-02-2015, 10:56 AM   #57
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my Insurance Broker and all the fueling stations! LOL
Interesting. My insurance for my DP is lower than the combined insurance for my truck and 5th wheel. MPG is about 1.5 MPG less for the DP
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Old 11-02-2015, 03:18 PM   #58
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l have a hard time seeing how something with the aero dynamics of a brick, can average better fuel mileage then a pickup pulling a 5th wheel.
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l have a hard time seeing how something with the aero dynamics of a brick, can average better fuel mileage then a pickup pulling a 5th wheel.
If you are replying to me, I stated that my DP gets about 1.5 MPG less than my 5th wheel. My pickup and 5th wheel only grossed 30,350 to my DP & F150's 49,980. Not surprising that it gets less mileage.
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Well that is what happens when you read things backward you get backward.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:23 PM   #61
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There's no denying more weight equals less mpg.

Below, the numbers represent towing city and towing highway through the mountains.

My coach towing my F150 weighed in at just under 42,000 lbs.
I averaged about 7.6 mpg.

My truck loaded towing my 5th wheel weighed in at just under 29,000 lbs.
I averaged about 12 mpg.

My coach and truck got 4.4 miles per gallon less than my new truck and 5th wheel.

Coach alone I averaged 9 mpg.
Truck alone I average 17 mpg.

Insurance for coach and F150 combined was $3700 per year.
Insurance for coach alone was $2200 per year.
Insurance for truck and 5th wheel combined is $2200 per year.
Insurance for 5th wheel alone is $714 per year.

My coach was a 40' 2001 Beaver Patriot.
My truck was a 2013 F150 Platinum 4x4.
Value of my coach and F150 was $78,000+$55,000 (CAD)

My new truck is a 2015 Ram 3500 Laramie Diesel 4x4
My 5th wheel is a 40' Cardinal with 4 slides
Value of my truck and 5th wheel $80,000+$57,000 (CAD)

Less fuel consumption.
Less insurance cost.
Less maintenance cost.

Doesn't matter which way you slice the banana,(for me) it costs less to own, use and maintain a truck and 5th wheel.
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I just read this entire thread since this is exactly the discussion we're having now.

A little history first. Longtime members feel free to skip this part. We started researching full-timing several years ago, with no preconceived ideas about what would be best for us. We asked lots of questions, spent countless hours in discussions, and finally settled on a DP and toad as the best choice for us. We started full-timing in October, 2014. December was a rough month for us, with $9500 in repairs and a month spent where we didn't want to be. We also started working with our church group that helps congregations with their building projects, and we spent January through May parked in one spot.

We're about 57' with the Foretravel towing the Jeep, and most likely an F350 towing a 5'er would be about the same length, so that is a wash. We like the ride of our MH, with the eight outboard airbags, but don't particularly like the high repair bills and low fuel economy. Replacing the Jeep with something that uses less fuel would definitely be the most bang for the buck if we look only at total fuel use. One of these days we'll take a day to go drive some used F350's and see how they ride.
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Old 11-05-2015, 10:07 PM   #63
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This may not help much since we have GMC's but when we sold the motorhome in 2012 and ordered the Excel I ordered a new GMC 3500, standard (short) bed, single rear wheel, 2 wheel drive, Duramax crewcab to pull it. Our Winslow weighs 15,500 loaded with 3100 pounds of hitch weight and actual length is 35' 5". This put us right at the limits of this truck's capacity. We went thru 2 seasons with it before I threw in the towel and got the dually. The ride was not pleasant as we got a lot of bucking, chucking, jerking, enough to the point that sometimes I felt like I was not in control. It was fine on the smooth highways but the rough stuff was not fun. I added a set of Air Lift 5k bags on the rear axle which helped but not enough to make us happy.

I sold the 2012 and ordered the new dually which I got May 1 of last year. The difference in the ride is night and day. To make it even sweeter I got a Trailer Saver BD3 air hitch to replace the B&W I had in the 2012. Now it really floats and unless the road is really bad we don't feel much. I can drive all day without being worn out.

My only advice is look at the weights of the fifth wheel and add about 20% to the hitch weight. Ours was 500 pounds more than the stated weight.
Compare that to the trucks actual capacity and you're good to go. I will say a dually really opens up the field to a lot more choices of larger fifth wheels. If I would have gotten a dually first I probably would have went with a 38 footer.

I seem to be chiming in a bit more than you may need so I'll quit. My only excuse is it is so hot outside there isn't much else to do. Good luck with whatever you do.

Um, no! Please don't stop chiming in. It is post like your that have a wealth of knowledge that really give RV nOObs like me great info. Posters and post like these are very helpful so please keep it up. Thanks.
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With my new Ram 3500 4x4 with Air Bags and my Pullrite Superglide 2900 18K hitch, I don't get any chucking or jerking. I have my air bags filled to about 76 lbs. Truck sits level loaded with my 15293 lb hitched load. The only time I feel any bounce whatsoever is when I encounter a severe hump or dip in the road. Otherwise, it's a dream set up!

As my truck is my daily driver, I didn't want a dually and before I bought either part of my set up, I did a lot of searching and asking questions.

I'm thankful I had good advise from my compadres here at iRV2, the TDR Forum (Turbo Diesel Register Forum), my truck dealer and my hitch guy.
No one recommended anything less than I needed just to get the sale!
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OK, so here's the deal. If you are concerned with fuel mileage you need a different hobby. Nothing that you can live in will get you good mileage. if you are gonna pull a house on wheels you need a diesel truck. Time was when I could pull a three slide fiver and get 10 miles to the gallon and 18 or 19 without the trailer, some guys with Dodges were doing better than that. Then the US government helped us. Anything diesel (any diesel) built after 2007 (2008 model year) is doing well to hit 8 or 9 towing and 13 to 14 driving unless you want to modify it and break a federal law and void the warranty. That's just how it is. So with that in mind you have only a few choices to get fuel economy. A small travel trailer pulled with a gas powered heavy half ton (F150), an older diesel or a modified newer diesel or have someone follow you with a small car so you can park the truck when you reach destination. Well there is a forth, rent a car and I guess a fifth, double tow, but it would have to be a really small car to stay legal.

I've tried all but the double towing and really don't think any are worth the effort so we just drive what we pull with. Which brings up the worst part of touring with a fiver, are you and your spouse both capable and comfortable driving a DRW F350 in city traffic? If you can get by that then I have developed a plan for dealing with fuel mileage.

1. Never ever look at the numbers on the pump or the signs at the station. just stick in the card keep your head down and pump the tank full. 2 never ever look at the receipt, just tear it off and shove it in the receipt envelope. 3. never ever engage in a conversation with your spouse about fuel costs. Just keep on truckin.

Have fun out there campers, it's a great way to go.
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. I have my air bags filled to about 76 lbs. sale![/QUOTE]


You sure ?
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Pretty sure. Unless my gauge is wrong. Mine are aftermarket. Maybe that makes a difference. Hitch shop set them at 80 when I picked up the truck.
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Pretty sure. Unless my gauge is wrong. Mine are aftermarket. Maybe that makes a difference. Hitch shop set them at 80 when I picked up the truck.

I'm sure you know better than I do. I guess my memory isn't what it used to be. I had a set of firestones and I thought they aired up with like 10 lbs or so. I had a pump installed on the frame and a gauge mounted under the dash. I don't think the pump could have gone to 75 lbs. Oh well....
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I have Air ride 5000s and put them between 45-50. Guess different brands different air pressure.
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I'll be checking next time I'm hitched. Maybe I'm thinking of my back truck tires. LOL
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