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Old 09-18-2014, 11:42 AM   #15
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Only way to know all that is go online and read and look at the brochures. Most show their framing member as well as the components used. Without calling the specific manufacture and asking them how the walls are fastened to the frame or if they pinch roll or vacuum bond the walls or like Cedar Creek, uses a hung wall then no one on here is going to be able to tell you exactly what you want to hear. I totally understand what you're trying to do, and most RV owners that have owned several RV's and have dealt with issues have a grasp of what the do and don't want in their next RV. It's really impossible to break down how every manufacturer builds their RV's as they all have a different twist on the same procedure.
The only way to know how they're built is to take a tour of the plant.

FWIW here's a video of a vacuum bonded wall being made.

Here's a hung type wall on a cheaper Jayco being made.

Here's an Arctic Fox being made. some of the photos are goofy but it still gives you the gest of it.

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Old 09-18-2014, 12:41 PM   #16
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Here's a video of pinch rolled walls. It's a Lance TT video. The pinch roll process is at 9:40 or so.

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Old 09-18-2014, 12:50 PM   #17
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The other type of wall is a hung wall. It's hard to find any good videos of a hung wall other than the Jayco corrugated aluminum type.
ForestRiver makes the Cedar Creek and Silverback 5th wheels. They do something different that I think is exclusive to them. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

They 1st build an aluminum wall like you would for a house. Then the attach the interior paneling to the framing. Not sure how though. They then install fiberglass batt insulation in between the studs. Then they apply Royal Sliapreme adhesive to the studs to hang the fiberglass wall.
Here's a link to the process. You have to open the Back to Basics PDF.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:03 PM   #18
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The original poster asked for our input, a variety of members answered the inquiry.

Which included bona fide direction on how to determine construction methods they included;
Visits to dealerships
RV Shows
Calling the manufacturer
Taking plant tours
talking to other owners
etc, etc

We did that in good faith and that's a pretty comprehensive list - I took insult to Logsends indication that I didn't understand his "articulation".

The fact remains that for under $100,000 they are all pretty much built the same. You will not find a pot of gold under the rainbow at that price point. Using the resources above is hardly buying with a blindfold on.

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Old 09-18-2014, 01:07 PM   #19
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The other thing to simplify this topic is you posted this in the 5th wheel section. 98% of all 5th wheel walls are either vacuum bonded or pinch rolled. With the majority being vacuum bonded. That pretty much narrows down one of your questions about wall types. No use looking at hung wall types like Jayco's corrugated aluminum.

It's really a subjective point on wall types. One's not necessarily better than the other as each has it's pro's and con's. Regardless of which type, maintenance is the key factor in reliability. The reason most just say find the floor plan you like is because the difference in wall types are insignificant in 5th wheels. Any manufacturer can screw up the process. By not maintaining the wall properly it won't matter how well it's made.

As far as roofing goes. In 5'ers it's really IIRC down to just two types EPDM and TPO.
Once again subjective.
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A common theme in all the videos posted above is that those guys and gals really blow-and-go! That cleaning lady in the last of the Arctic Fox video is really moving...makes it easy to see how small things can be missed.

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Old 09-18-2014, 04:48 PM   #21
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No I don't want the information from the people building the particular rv, I got plenty of that at Hershey. I'm looking for information in general on how it's built starting with the framing all the way to the roof. I want to know about the ins and outs of construction so that when a dealer is talking to me about why this frame system is better or this wall style is best, I'll know what he's talking about. Someone trying to sell me a product is going to tell me what works best for them and that may or may not be the truth of the matter. It just amazes me how hard real unbiased information is to come by in this industry.
You will find the same thing true about RV forums, there are a lot of RV expert wannabes.
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When we found our new unit I never heard of the Heartland RV manufacturer.
Over night I had to decide about the purchase we were about to make. All info I required was available on the manufacturer web site. And after reading many comments by owners on the owner's forum. I was completely informed about the unit I was about to buy.
After 5 years and 40k miles of travel with our unit, everything about our unit is exactly the way I was informed the first night.
There are many RV companies that have come and gone. But the ones that do have the initiative and the will to make better and more affordable units will grow.
The best method of making these units is still evolving because some companies are not just using old methods but better more advanced methods of delivering a great product.
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Old 09-19-2014, 06:28 AM   #23
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Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU!!!! That is exactly the type of stuff I was looking for Cumminsfan!!!!

I don't know if it's because I'm female or if it's just the way the salespeople are but every time my dh walks away the sales guy will start talking to me about all the build aspects and I'm scrambling to try and understand what he is saying. I then have to go back over it with my dh and try to remember everything the guy said about it. I wanted to understand the terms and points that they make so that I'm not just looking like a deer in the headlights.

Oh thank you so much and I'm sorry if I didn't express what I was looking for clearly enough to begin with. Being new to the whole industry it's hard to put into the 'right' words what information I'm trying to gather.
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You can find a manufacturer that you like, easy. But find a dealer you like. If they don't take the time to slow down and explain things to you, then they really don't care, and I wouldn't buy there.

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