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Old 08-02-2014, 03:13 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by glennwest View Post
You do get what you pay for. I would never criticize a unit or someone due to price.

Sorry for coming across so critical, yes you do get what you pay for but it's like comparing apples to oranges, the thread was about Grand Design not Excel

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Old 08-02-2014, 06:41 PM   #16
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My neighbor has one of there new Toy Haulers. He went and toured their plant and talked with one of their owners. Seems very nice, fit and finish seems solid. I've heard outstanding things regarding their customer service. I looked at the Grand Design Reflection before we purchased our Alpine, but it seemed a little cramped for my 6'3 body and I really wanted the auto level system which wasn't available on that model. Nice looking, neighbors love it. Good luck, safe camping.

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Old 08-02-2014, 08:24 PM   #17
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The difference I was referring to is between what is called four season rigs and full-time rigs. They are not the same animal. The OP remarked that he was dissatisfied with the performance of what he was told is a four season rig during hot weather. Most of the time four season merely means you can "use" them any time of the year. The tanks may be freeze protected somewhat. But four season does not imply a better constructed or better insulated rig. Buyer beware salepeople will tell you anything.
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Old 08-05-2014, 04:49 PM   #18
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I found this out when really researching Grand Design. They are four season but when I called them at the manufacturer best they could guarantee in cold weather was like 28 degrees. Which immediately drove me away. I just did a winter in MN and now I am on my way to west Texas. One extreme to other. I seen temps as cold as -20 and west texas will be 110+. If not enduring extreme temps I would say the grand design would suit your needs. They seem to be a nice unit I have looked at several.

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