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Old 01-18-2014, 08:58 AM   #15
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I am more quesy picking a rig with batten insulation in the walls. It makes sense to me that this batten insulation will eventually fall from the top of the wall and leave an uninsulated air space.

The Landmark does feel solid, even with the landing gear up. It is difficult to get the rig to rock at all.

At the Tampa Show I looked at several Mobile Suites and Excel Limiteds. The Excel has really nice units with hard wood floors but the wall going up the steps is only 25" wide. Our current 5er is 30". Mobile Suites has batten insulation in the walls.

I was not even going to look at the Landmark but thought what the heck. I was walking right past it. So I stopped in.
I saw 17.5" tires, huge storage, electric cord reel, disc brakes, sample of their welds, roof, and floor, they have MCD shades, etc.etc. Plus the unit feels very solid.

Two trips to the Tampa Show I came away with the custom builders New Horizons, Space Craft, Forks RV as the best.

Followed by Landmark and Presidential as units I would buy.

DRV and Excel both with batten insulation will require a little more research. I would like to understand how in the world they keep batten insulation from dropping in the walls.
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:09 AM   #16
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I need to add to my previous statement. When I stated Landmark likely best from Eckhart area I was referring the mass produced units. DRV's are not mass produced. Concerning insulation, I have seen a DRV with the belly covering removed. There is over a foot of wool insulation under those floors.
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:25 AM   #17
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Agree - batten insulation is ok in the roof and floor where it is likely to stay in place on a horizontal plane, it is in the walls, especially the top of the walls where vibration and gravity combined will likely cause batten insulation to drop down from the top of the wall and cause empty air pockets with no insulation.

That as these units leave the factory with the best insulation it is likely they arrive at dealers 1,300 miles away with small gaps in wall insulation starting. That at 25,000 miles the gap could be significant.

Gravity and road vibration is likley a bad thing for batten wall insulation.
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:44 AM   #18
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If that were the case, I would expect to see evidence of a thermal gradient looking from the top to the bottom of the exterior walls on a morning with frost or dew on the walls. I see absolutely none on our almost 10 year old MS. I have no complaints about the thermal or acoustic insulating properties of our MS whatsoever. Sorry, tuffr2, but I don't consider the Heartland anywhere close to comparable to our Mobile Suites. YMMV, of course since it's your checkbook and your decision.

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Heartland and DRV are no comparisons. I lived in a Mobile Suite for 4.5 years. Although there are some things we didn't like, it is a beautiful solid coach. When we personally viewed the Landmark it seem and looked "cheap" to us. Now it is $30,000 less money so you get what you pay for. If we hadn't lived in a DRV we might not have felt this way. It is not my intent to down play the Landmark. For the money I believe you can't do much better. We did not want to go down in quality and decided to get this used Teton. Now it is also in a different category than a DRV. I would also like to advise to stay clear of Landmarks/Bighorns 2 years or older. They have come a long way in the last few years. Lots of frame issues in early years. Also on the theory that insulation falls down, no real way to prove either way without tearing walls down. I do know they are easy to heat and cozy. Never heard any DRV owners complain of being cold. We could use our heat pumps down to teens with a small electric heater's help.
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I get a kick out of everybody measuring the frames of the trailers to determine whether a trailer is good or not. That's like saying a blond is a better wife then a redhead. There are many things that all have to come together for a good RV and there's more to a woman than her hair.

The question is......does the the particular rv have a history of frame failure? If not then it's a mute point. Thankfully frame issues are few and far between on the full time 5th wheels. I'm waiting for a RV manufacture to build a piece of junk trailer but with a 20 inch frame to make everybody happy. Then we could all compare.............?
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I get a kick out of everybody measuring the frames of the trailers to determine whether a trailer is good or not. That's like saying a blond is a better wife then a redhead.
Not even remotely comparable. A blonde versus a redhead is a matter of personal preference. Analysis of frame construction is based on mechanical or structural engineering considerations. One is subjective, the other is objective and measurable.

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There are a Montana and a Bighorn in our rv park now with front frame failure. Pin is bent forward and cracks in sides, tape over windows due to gaps. Never seen this on a DRV, Nu-wa, Teton, etc.
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Don't mean to scare anyone with a MS, but every bridge you drive over or any commercial building you walk into will be supported by the dreaded I-Beam design.

Increase your life insurance according.
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I-beams have their place. The entry-level DRV Tradition (formerly the Select Suites) utilizes a 12" I-beam frame. The higher-level Mobile Suites and Elite Suites use the 15" stacked box-section rectangular steel tubing frame.

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Nothing wrong with I beam. I'm surrounded by it at work. But it isn't paper thin either. Some of the frames I personally seen can have two 12" crescents locked to them and twist the steel. Even good I beam has to be braced adequately. My Teton has I beam but the bottom flange is 1/4" thick. Also 2X4" tube steel welded to bottom. But it better be as much as these weigh.
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I get a kick out of everybody measuring the frames of the trailers to determine whether a trailer is good or not. That's like saying a blond is a better wife then a redhead. There are many things that all have to come together for a good RV and there's more to a woman than her hair.

The question is......does the the particular rv have a history of frame failure? If not then it's a mute point. Thankfully frame issues are few and far between on the full time 5th wheels. I'm waiting for a RV manufacture to build a piece of junk trailer but with a 20 inch frame to make everybody happy. Then we could all compare.............?
Well said
Totally agree with your point.
After all it's RVs and the need for easy tow and affordability is important.
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Well said
Totally agree with your point.
After all it's RVs and the need for easy tow and affordability is important.
That's what they all say at first. Then later on they are crying wondering why it's breaking.
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After all it's RVs and the need for easy tow and affordability is important.
That's the whole premise behind the ultra-lite trailers. Why do you think we have so many threads complaining about how flimsy and fragile many of these trailers are? Skimping on design and/or construction materials to get light weight and cheapness is, IMHO, false economy.

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