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Old 10-07-2015, 07:21 AM   #99
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We are lucky in that our Highway scales are about 1/4 mile from where I work. They do not operate 24/365, only weekdays. The scales are however always on to use and are accurate. I used to weigh all my DP's prior to the switch. I never carry full water, only enough for a bathroom pit stop enroute to our destination. Our maiden voyage is in less than two weeks.

Should be interesting!
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I think he has already purchased the Cardinal and the correct address for the Cardinal and Blue Ridge owners web site is CARDINAL RV CLUB.
Sorry the IPad auto corrects things. I didn't notice it changed the u to a o.
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Sorry the IPad auto corrects things. I didn't notice it changed the u to a o.

Yep, figured that's what happened. Aren't these things so helpful at times 😀. I've sent some auto corrected text messages that have been interesting 😳
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Old 10-11-2015, 11:30 PM   #102
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When you get your 5er fully loaded please take a trip to the scales and report back on real world pin, TV rear axle weight and RV weight.
Okay, here it is.

I took my truck and filled it with fuel, then went to the weigh scales. I weighed the front and rear axles then went and hitched up to my 2010 Cardinal 3450RL(unloaded) and weighed the truck rear axle and then the dual 5th wheel axles.

Here were my findings:

Truck Alone:
Front axle: 4982 lbs
Rear axle: 3615 lbs

Truck Hitched to 5th Wheel:
Rear axle: 5687 lbs
5er Dual axles: 12103 lbs

So, if my assumptions are correct, if I take the truck rear axle hitched weight of 5687 lbs and subtract the truck alone rear axle weight of 3615 lbs, that should give me a 5er dry pin weight of 2072 lbs.

Therefore, with my trucks specs for towing capacity of 17050 lbs and payload of 3920 lbs for a SRW SB, I'd say I'm within spec to tow my fifth wheel with this truck.
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The weight of your truck is 8,600....add your wife, your hitch, your dog and a bag of Cheetos and your can probably assume a wet weight of 9k. Subtract 9k from your truck GVWR and you'll get your payload....this will confirm or reject your assumed PL of 3920.

You really should ignore dry weight numbers on your 5er and work off the trailer GVWR. Assuming that number is pretty close to 16k your pin weight should be around 3,200.

You can pretty much ignore the towing capacity numbers...which are just the truck's wet GVWR subtracted from the GCWR... as most SRWs max out on payload before tow capacity.

As a result....if you have a truck GVWR of around 13k and a GCWR of around +25k....you're good to go. I'd be very interested to know your truck GVWR & GCWRs and the trailer GVWR as these are the important numbers along with your scale weights.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:42 PM   #104
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You are over the 10,000#GVW of the truck before you add anything in the trailer or the family in the truck. You either need a bigger truck or a lighter trailer. Also I believe that the pin weight will go up significantly as you add your things into the trailer.
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"When you get your 5er fully loaded please take a trip to the scales"

Still waiting on "fully loaded" RV weights.

IMHO you will be overloaded.
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GVWR on the truck is 11,700 lbs. Right now I'm under by 1031 lbs but need to add my wife and daughter. Let's assume 300 lbs for both. (My wife better not read this! LOL)
My GCWR is 25,300 lbs. I can't weigh the whole rig towing loaded till next Sunday. I assume I weigh the truck front and rear axles, then the 5er dual axles and add them all up for my true GCWR? Currently I'm at 22,772 lbs.

It'll be close, but I think I'll be under.

If I tell my wife to leave most of her clothes, jewelry and makeup at home, we should be under for sure. LOL!
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Don't spend too much time dwelling on it a couple or 300 lbs is not going to cause much worry. . You wait till you get out there you will see people pulling Hearland Landmarks with Srw. There is a guy across from me with a 2500 Ram pulling a 3450 Cardinal ! I am not advocating running over weight but there people pulling 5ers without a clue ..
You will be fine. When using the exhaust brake the higher the engine rpm the better it works. Don't hesitate to drop a gear coming down a grade .
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Here's the specs on the Cardinal 3450RL.

Max GVWR is 15915.
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The usual tongue weight for a 16k fifth would be 20% (3,200 lbs). It appears that you have around 2,700 lbs (max) of unused payload capacity. This (3,200) would put you over-weight by 500lbs ....which doesn't seem unreasonable ....until you realize this is around +20% and most people suggest you are best to have around a ~20% margin under max to have a safe enjoyable tow.

Anyway, your Cardinal does not appear to be transferring 20% to the tongue and it doesn't appear that you are planning to load the trailer to the
Max GVWR? At the end of the day you are going to have to be careful with your weights and very careful with a short wheel base short box tow vehicle.

I think you can make this work and still be safe & legal...but you are going to need creativity and careful planning. Good luck.
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Here's the specs on the Cardinal 3450RL.

Max GVWR is 15915.
Just because it says that does not mean that is all it's ever going to weigh. My last MS had about 17,500 GVWR but in reality it was closer to 19K. Current MS is Max at 21K it's WELL over 22K.

So most importantly weigh your TV's rear axle occasionally. Weights DO creep up.
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Like I said, the tale will be in the tape when I weigh everything this Sunday.

I'm still pretty sure I'll be within specs. We aren't full timers and don't need all our worldly possessions with us! Just some of the comforts for short stays.
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Tale Of The Tape! - Loaded Weights

Okay, here it is.

I took my truck and filled it with fuel, my wife, my daughter, the dog, the cat, hitched up to the 5th wheel loaded with kitty litter, kibbles, clothes, Cheetos and booze, then went to the weigh scales. I weighed the loaded front and rear truck axles then 2010 Cardinal 3450RL(loaded) dual 5th wheel axles.

Here are my complete findings:

Truck Only: (original weigh-in)
Front axle: 4982 lbs
Rear axle: 3615 lbs

Truck Now Loaded Hitched to Loaded 5th Wheel :
Front axle: 4982 lbs
Rear axle: 6364 lbs
5er Dual axles: 12544 lbs

So, my assumptions are correct! When I take the truck rear axle hitched weight of 6364 lbs and subtract the truck alone rear axle weight of 3615 lbs, that gives me a 5th wheel loaded pin weight of 2749 lbs.

Therefore, with my trucks specs for towing capacity of 17050 lbs and payload of 3920 lbs for a SRW SB, I'm within spec to tow my fifth wheel with this truck.

As for the 5th Wheel, GVWR is 15915 lbs. Assuming I add my loaded dual axle weight of 12544 lbs and my loaded pin weight of 2794 lbs for a total loaded 5th wheel weight of 15293 lbs and subtract that from my GVWR of 15915 lbs, I'm under by 622 lbs.

I'd say I'm good! No......Damn good!
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