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Old 03-21-2014, 09:20 AM   #15
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I have just been researching Grand Design ( a new upstart company ) and seems like most of their owners are very, very pleased with their units. They built their 1000th unit a month or so ago. They look good in the research, now I have to go to a dealer and take a personal look at them.
They are nice units made with quality materials. They have a 10 inch double stacked frame where it counts,great hydraulics and they go thru 2 I quality control systems before they get to the dealer. They are built with marine grade plywood not OSB. A lot of Lippert parts but most RV companies buy from Lippert. I own the 43 ft 379FL it's like a house.

The big 3 are above most folks can't afford that. The next level is above DRV,Lifestyle,Excel

The next level is as stated above also I would put Grand Design with that group. The owners left THOR, 2 brothers who started Keystone who has gotten out of the quality world and the owner of Dutchman the maker of the voltage toy hauler top quality stuff. If they put full body paint on there rigs they would be right there. They do save money on things like tires but so does everyone but the big boys. They could go heavier on brakes with disc again high end options. Everyone wants bigger axles too! There is a difference from the top brands I won't pull your leg and the old saying is you get what you pay for. There are many nice campers out there people live in all kinds of stuff not near as nice as anything I have mentioned,you just have to be handy in the RV world as one guy told me. Good luck get what your comfortable with but get the engineering specs and be happy. We all have the best unit everyone knows that.lol
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If you are right then how do they achieve such a light weight unit? have to cut corners somewhere to do this.
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Old 03-21-2014, 06:25 PM   #17
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To save some time doing all the research which could take months what do you think are the top three 5ers built today.
I want to go to their web sites and DROOL and dream of owning one someday
Dreaming and drooling is OK, just put on bib and go to this thread.
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Old 03-22-2014, 01:33 PM   #18
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Decent trailer

I went a different route. IMO if your boat has a good hull, everything else can be replaced, unless it is a Uniflite with blisters.
My rig is an '01 - 40' Travel Supreme. Wt about 20k. It, over the years has had many upgrades as money became available. Although it has cost more than originally budgeted, I would stack my rig against most new expensive rigs.

Re new units, one person I know bought one and regretted it because it was too high tech. I prefer something in between digital and analog so to speak.

Some of the work done:
Suspension, wheels, tires, retro 50's residential fridge, inverter, bank of batteries, replacement washer, carpet, tiles, slide gaskets, Eternabond tape on roof joints, bigger island, electric steps, electric awning, flatscreen tv, full body wrap, decals, wiring to allow 7kw truck mounted generator to run trailer, retro 50's red cracked ice dining table and chairs, led lights both inside and out. Switching out brass for chrome and stainless or plating what I could.

All this is doable a little at a time if you plan to keep the trailer. Each item keeps the interest up in the trailer much like renovating your house. Even the most critical eyes approve of the work done. The RV park where it is located has put it at the top of a hill where the blue LED strip lights under the awning and white rope lites under the trailer make it stand out like a beacon.

There are not a whole lot of different layouts, rear kitchen, kitchen on man door side, kitchen on non man door side, U shape kitchen and some minor variations. I picked the layout my preferred layout then started upgrading to modern everything else.

Back in the day, '06, when trailer was purchased, Newmar, Nu-Wa, Teton, Hitch Hiker and Travel Supreme were all know to be at the top of their game. Used ones are still around.

The trailer gets dragged around by a Volvo 730 with a Smart car riding on the back.

Best move I ever made.
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I went a different route. IMO if your boat has a good hull, everything else can be replaced, unless it is a Uniflite with blisters.
My rig is an '01 - 40' Travel Supreme. Wt about 20k. It, over the years has had many upgrades as money became available. Although it has cost more than originally budgeted, I would stack my rig against most new expensive rigs.

Re new units, one person I know bought one and regretted it because it was too high tech. I prefer something in between digital and analog so to speak.

Some of the work done:
Suspension, wheels, tires, retro 50's residential fridge, inverter, bank of batteries, replacement washer, carpet, tiles, slide gaskets, Eternabond tape on roof joints, bigger island, electric steps, electric awning, flatscreen tv, full body wrap, decals, wiring to allow 7kw truck mounted generator to run trailer, retro 50's red cracked ice dining table and chairs, led lights both inside and out. Switching out brass for chrome and stainless or plating what I could.

All this is doable a little at a time if you plan to keep the trailer. Each item keeps the interest up in the trailer much like renovating your house. Even the most critical eyes approve of the work done. The RV park where it is located has put it at the top of a hill where the blue LED strip lights under the awning and white rope lites under the trailer make it stand out like a beacon.

There are not a whole lot of different layouts, rear kitchen, kitchen on man door side, kitchen on non man door side, U shape kitchen and some minor variations. I picked the layout my preferred layout then started upgrading to modern everything else.

Back in the day, '06, when trailer was purchased, Newmar, Nu-Wa, Teton, Hitch Hiker and Travel Supreme were all know to be at the top of their game. Used ones are still around.

The trailer gets dragged around by a Volvo 730 with a Smart car riding on the back.

Best move I ever made.
Not only the best move but also the smartest move
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I have a 2009 DRV mobile suite purchased new and i would put it at the bottom of the quality list. I hve 2 friends one who had an Elite Suite, one with a mobile suite who sold them and purchased motor home because of problems. I cant bring myself to unolad mine on a unsuspecting purchaser. Maybe some day i will have everything working at once. 5 trips to the factory 16 times in shop or site repairs. Junk?? Lemon?? Its something. Feel free to call me with questions 903 691 9442
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:19 PM   #21
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Let's face it, those very high line, expensive coaches are very, very heavy.

And they really need to have a Navistar, F750 or Freightliner medium duty truck towing them. That's another $100K+. And they're not easy to take to dinner at a restaurant.

But that's the best way if you're going to be taking that Alaskan odyssey every Summer.
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Let's face it, those very high line, expensive coaches are very, very heavy.

And they really need to have a Navistar, F750 or Freightliner medium duty truck towing them. That's another $100K+. And they're not easy to take to dinner at a restaurant.

But that's the best way if you're going to be taking that Alaskan odyssey every Summer.
or a 30-40k for a HDT. My dually tows our Teton well.
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I have a 2009 DRV mobile suite purchased new and i would put it at the bottom of the quality list. I hve 2 friends one who had an Elite Suite, one with a mobile suite who sold them and purchased motor home because of problems. I cant bring myself to unolad mine on a unsuspecting purchaser. Maybe some day i will have everything working at once. 5 trips to the factory 16 times in shop or site repairs. Junk?? Lemon?? Its something. Feel free to call me with questions 903 691 9442
The real question is what were the issues? Bad factory repairs on minor issues, minor issues that get repaired well, or what?
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I have a 2009 DRV mobile suite purchased new and i would put it at the bottom of the quality list. I hve 2 friends one who had an Elite Suite, one with a mobile suite who sold them and purchased motor home because of problems. I cant bring myself to unolad mine on a unsuspecting purchaser. Maybe some day i will have everything working at once. 5 trips to the factory 16 times in shop or site repairs. Junk?? Lemon?? Its something. Feel free to call me with questions 903 691 9442
Wished you would elaborate about your Mobile Suites. They are very well constructed units and nice. We lived in one for 3 years and our issues were just common to typical rv appliances. They are all basically substandard. Never a problem with DRV's work.
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I've got an 06 Mobile Suites that has been great. We full time now in this one. Bought it used in 10 and have not had any major issues, just things that wear out over time. I do agree they are a heavy beast at 18500# but do love ours.
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We looked at a 2014 Mobile Suite in February prior to purchasing our new 5er. For the money they wanted for the unit you would think that they would have put better quality furniture in it. It looked like they did their shopping at KMart or Walmart. It definitely wasn't "high end."
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Hi Jack,

I've talked to others who also have had issues with the newer units. Not sure the deal. Just have to make sure you do your research. We love ours but also figure we will not buy brand new.
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Here is what you get for $100.000 in 2006.
DoubleTree RV problems:

Axel shock brackets broken. Poor welding. Too small.
Two broken shackle bolts at the lube hole.
Sliding door broke. Fell into basement.
Closet door glass cracked because of poor latch.
Woodworking falling apart around slides.
Cheep faucets broke. All replaced.
Plastic fenders cracked. Replaced both.
Three windows fogged up.
Roof leaked many places.
TV antenna placed on roof seam.
Bath fan vent goes nowhere. Dumb.
Poor insulation. Side insulation falls to bottom.
Plastic cabinet hooks broke. I replaced more then 12.
Hub caps fell off. Bad design. Made in China.
Plastic wire supports under slides broke.
Furnace problems. No Return vent.
Remote heat censer located above light shuts off furnace. Put there by an 8 year old.
Water leak around slide outs.
Black and gray water valves hard to pull.
Plumbing from hot water heater leaked.
Ladder broke. Not fastened well to roof.
Workers broke screw heads then glued heads back in place.
Cracks in fiberglass around license plate recess.
Spare tire hole does not line up with bolt to lower tire.
Rollers on slides tore up floor.
Slide rollers roll over heat vents. Not a good idea.
Cheep recliners. Chipboard and rags.
Wiring/plumbing a big mess. Looks like the same 8 year old wired it.
All tank levels stopped working from day one.
Workers left sawdust and garbage in places you can't see.
All screws that hold awning toppers too small and broke.
Screws that attach bed shock and motor too small. Broke.
As much as they tried, they never got the slides to come in all the way.
Wall between washer and toilet not screwed to floor.
RCA? The cheapest junk out there. All had to be replaced.
Soft floor in bathroom.
Ice maker? Joke.
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