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Old 08-09-2016, 04:29 PM   #1
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How much truck do I need for a 23K 5th wheel?

I currently have a Cedar Creek 36CKTS which when loaded with a couple of weeks worth of stuff weighs about 15K- 3k is on the hitch and 12k on the axles according to the scale. I'm pulling it with a F350 SRW and I am still below max and haven't had any issues.

We are looking at another trailer and it dry weighs a little over 19K and maxes at 23K I think (I'm pretty close). I know we have gone over the 350 SRW and are still below a 350DRW but.........................

For those who have pulled 20-22K 5th wheels is a 350DRW really enough truck?

We tow and camp about 100 nights a year? We take 1 or 2 trips a month both for pleasure and for business. About to leave on a 3 week trip towing the trailer a little over 2k miles.

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If the pin weight does not over load the trucks GVWR or rear axle GAWR, you may be OK with one of the new DRW F350 Fords or a Ram 3500. You can also look at ordering a RAM with the Asin transmission and 4.10 axle o5 the Ford F450.

Our 5er is 19,500# and we are near the limits on our 2012 F350 dually. We have a 4300# pin weight and an extra 40 gallon fuel tank plus a 400# Trailer Saver air ride hitch.

The next step up is a MDT (medium duty truck) such as the Freightliner FL60 or the IH 4400 or 4700.

The newest generation of 1 ton DRW trucks fro m FOrd and Ram are rated to pull a heavy 5er, but you limit will be the trucks GVWR and trailer pin weight. Plan on a loaded pin weight that will be close to 20% of the trailer GVWR. Note that we are at 22% of our actual weight.


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IMO the short answer NO, anytime you pass the 20,000 GVW for a 5th wheel the only SAFE option for towing is a MDT like the Ford F-650 or the Kodiak 4500. Sure truck makers say you can pull x# lbs, but that's assuming you have no other weight in the truck besides yourself, no DW, dogs, gear, extra fuel, hitch weight etc. If you want to safely haul that weight and your family then seriously look at a MDT truck.
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More than likely you'll get mixed reviews on this topic. I think you've got a pretty good handle on the ratings tables as well as knowing how to utilize your local CAT scale.
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Any of the 2016 350/3500 DRW.....

Enjoy the new truck and trailer.
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:59 PM   #6
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If you are truly at 23k you need a true medium duty or better. While you may find a F450/550 or Ram 4500/550 that will handle a 5k plus pin weight but you need the strength to stop it as well.
A true medium duty configured correctly will provide you all the power and safety you need with a rig that big. A converted over the road semi is also a good match as well and may end up costing about the same as a medium duty.
A semi is designed to go over a million miles before it will need a major overhaul. There are several conversion companies that will single it (remove one of the rear axles). They will fix the things that need attention but it will not be new ( most conversions are done on trucks that have 500k or more)
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Well poopy, this is what I was afraid. I would be close enough to the line that going MDT or HDT would be the safest route. I don't know if this is feasible because I also need a vehicle to use when we get there.

Reality is we actually tow about 20 days a year and spend about 100 nights a year in the trailer and getting even a 1 ton dually would be a big PIA the other 345 days of the year not to mention a MDT or HDT.

We might need to be in the market for a Class A and tow a 1/2 ton behind it.

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A new F450 should do it.
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Bear in mind that there are two F450 trucks offered. One is a dressed up F350 dually with 4x4 and crewcab.

The other is cab and chassis only, and that's the one I'd want for such a load as you're talking. They don't even come with a bed, so you'd have to get one of the RV special beds. It's attujned to a F550, but without hte straight front axle like you'd get on a F650.

F650 type trucks are also an option--especially with crew cab.
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You would be happier and safer with a MDT unit. A friend has a class 8 Volvo pulling a DRV and it's a great combo.

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