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Old 09-27-2006, 11:31 AM   #15
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Just read this post!!! All i can say is WOW!! I hope all is repaired to your satisfaction, also glad it was found before a catastrophic failure caused any injuries.

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Old 12-20-2006, 07:34 AM   #16
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Well finaly got the trailer fixed, now we will see if Lippert or Fleetwood will own up to their problem and reemburse me.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:32 PM   #17
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Tom your first picture shows quite a long extended pin box. Is it as supplied OEM from Fleetwood, or from Zieman/Lippert? That may be one reason for the blame game between them. The main thing is: money can replace anything but a life, glad you are home safe.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:04 AM   #18
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Tom your first picture shows quite a long extended pin box. Is it as supplied OEM from Fleetwood, or from Zieman/Lippert? That may be one reason for the blame game between them. The main thing is: money can replace anything but a life, glad you are home safe.
Well it's a Lippert pin box and it was on the trailer when new so its anybody's guess.
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I guess fleetwood is off my list, will have to check frame if its from lippert.
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Old 12-24-2007, 05:19 AM   #20
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I'm not familiar with the frame construction used on your rig, but I am familiar with welding and steel reinforcement.

That has to be the most absolutely terrible job of welding I've ever seen

Where those two pieces of the frame came together there should have been no way that a properly joined frame section could have seperated. It's clear that there was not proper penetration of the weld bead that nor was it welded the entire length of the joint. Additionally, I can't believe there wasn't a gusset plate put over the frame joint.

Seeing how the frame was joined, it makes one wonder if the manufacturers are using properly trained and certified welders or just sticking someone on the assembly line and they're welding that day. It's also not just a situation limited to one frame manufacturer as I had to reweld a support bar on our previous Thor motorhome a few rigs ago that had broken. Again, that weld that broke was clearly not properly done.
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Fleetwood is not the only 5th wheel mfg that has had problems with Lippert frames. I know of an Alpenlite that had the back end of the frame break down and spent $3500 to have it repaired on Lippert's approval then had months of writing letters to get reimbersed for part of it.
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I guess fleetwood is off my list, will have to check frame if its from lippert.
It is not Fleetwood. About 70% of all recreational trailer frames are made by Lippert.
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What are you saying, that the manufacturers are not responsible for what they build and sell.
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Old 12-25-2007, 11:43 AM   #24
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MFGs like Fleetwood and Alpenlite will usually warranty their products for the first year or so. If any sub assembly has a longer warranty then you must deal with them directly. For example the rubber roofs often come with a 12yr warranty, refers come with 3yrs, however you must registar your product with them.
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Zieman/Lippert frame warranty My understanding is: Yes, individual trailer manufacturers are responsible for their product. A Lippert frame is not their product. The trailer manufacturer does warranty the frame, as a pass-through warranty. The trailer manufacturer is re-embursed by the frame manufacturer when there is a warrantable claim.
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As long as Lippart is willing to honor warrantable work there is no real issue - I also think that Lippart has a pretty good track record when it comes to their frames - otherwise they would not be in business. However you might want to ask the dealer who makes the frames - if they don't know then have them ask the factory rep. I know that Northwood (Arctic Fox and Nash) build their own frames in Oregon - while their east coast plant (now closed) used Lippart.
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We also have a problem with our frame on a 2006 Komfort 232ST travel trailer. We had a upper left front wall seperation within 4 months of ownership. The selling dealer indicated that the screws had come loose and it was fixed. We had not noticed the broken front cross member, the first from the front "A" frame until 2 months out of warranty. Both Libert and Komfort has refused to repair our unit. We have a new trailer with a manufacture defect that we are making payments on that we can't use. I have contacted Action line, Good Sam, to help us out but, it has been several months now and no response from anyone.
I have contacted 2 lawyers about our case but no one wants to take it because its an RV. If it was a car, the laws are there to help the consumer but, with RVs, we are on our own.
Add Komfort to the list.
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I have an 06 Northwoods Artic Fox. When it was delivered, it had a mislabeled pin box installed, causing me to order the wrong Mor-Ryde Anti-Chucking replacement upgrade. When I contacted both Northwoods and Lippert, both just passed the buck back & forth. The one point both agreed on was that Lippert builds frames, but the trailer manufacturer does the design & structual engineering. Now you tell me, who is going to shoulder the fault and step up to the plate. In most situations, you're just going to get a bunch of finger pointing and "not me".
I will never again buy another 5th wheel where the manufacturer does not make their own frames.

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