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[Justjamie83]

Originally Posted by HamboneTHW

I also found a Keystone Avalanche we like, but we wouldn’t be able to go new on it. MSRP is around $90K. We like 2 full baths a lot on this one.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/202...6BH-5007780371

That is a nice unit, the weight is on the light side for a full time rig though. That would be my only concern.

[Justjamie83]

Originally Posted by Justjamie83

That is a nice unit, the weight is on the light side for a full time rig though. That would be my only concern.

In your price range, I would also consider this one.

https://hr4kf.app.goo.gl/d25Zq

[Captn John]

Forget the msrp on a 5er. Take at least 30% off for any deal. My Montana msrp was over $99k, paid $68 out the door with no extra warranties.

[450Donn]

Originally Posted by HamboneTHW

Why the dually? SRW F-350 is rated at 18K for 5th wheel set up. Everything we’re looking at is under 14K dry and has a CC of less than 3K, which still gives me over 1000 lbs. cushion.

Just wondering why everyone pushes for the dually. My wife and I aren’t fans. She grew up driving them, and I’ve driven plenty in my day. Just like the SRW better.

Thanks for the recommendation on the Cedar Creek. I’ll check that one out.

Look at RAWR amd tire load rating. Typically tow ratings are just that TOW ratings. A18K fifth wheel is going to drop approx 3600 pounds directly over the rear axle at minimum. That means you will have a rear loading around 7500 pounds on the rear axle. If you look at the brochure advertised weights you will see a dry weight number. That number does NOT include anything. Heck, my 36 foot Cedar Creek had a 13,500 GVWR and my pin weight by weight was 3500 pounds. That put me squarely in dually territory. Your looking for a fiver that is bigger heavier, so I could easily be seeing 4000 pounds on the pin. Yea, you might be able to get by with a SRW, but why would you want to. A dually would give you a much better handling experience.

[HamboneTHW]

Originally Posted by consolenut

yeah thats gvw. pin weight on a high end 5ver will be 25% which puts you way over on rear axle weight. gooseneck trailers are spec'd at 10% on the pin tops 15%. huge difference.

basically you run out of rear axle weight capacity long before gvw.

So what is max axle weight on the F-350 SRW? None of those coaches are over 3K hitch weight.

[HamboneTHW]

Originally Posted by 450Donn

Look at RAWR amd tire load rating. Typically tow ratings are just that TOW ratings. A18K fifth wheel is going to drop approx 3600 pounds directly over the rear axle at minimum. That means you will have a rear loading around 7500 pounds on the rear axle. If you look at the brochure advertised weights you will see a dry weight number. That number does NOT include anything. Heck, my 36 foot Cedar Creek had a 13,500 GVWR and my pin weight by weight was 3500 pounds. That put me squarely in dually territory. Your looking for a fiver that is bigger heavier, so I could easily be seeing 4000 pounds on the pin. Yea, you might be able to get by with a SRW, but why would you want to. A dually would give you a much better handling experience.

The two units I’ve listed so far are 13,100 and 13,850 dry weight. Hitch weight is 2800 and 2700 respectively...

What hitch weight would max out the new F-350?

[consolenut]

Originally Posted by HamboneTHW

The two units I’ve listed so far are 13,100 and 13,850 dry weight. Hitch weight is 2800 and 2700 respectively...

What hitch weight would max out the new F-350?

Again those are dry weight nothing in the rig your pin weights loaded could 3500 to 3800 pounds pretty easy. Dry weight means as it left the factory before a pair socks were added. Full time the front under belly will be loaded most likely

[HamboneTHW]

Originally Posted by Justjamie83

In your price range, I would also consider this one.

https://hr4kf.app.goo.gl/d25Zq

I like it. Only down side is no outside entertainment/outdoor kitchen. That’s something we really like in the Montana HC and Avalanche.

[Justjamie83]

Originally Posted by HamboneTHW

I like it. Only down side is no outside entertainment/outdoor kitchen. That’s something we really like in the Montana HC and Avalanche.

I'm a bit on the opposite side as I don't think I would ever use the outdoor kitchen. I'm going to look more into the Avalanche though, seems I was a bit off on the Rv weights.

[HamboneTHW]

Originally Posted by consolenut

Again those are dry weight nothing in the rig your pin weights loaded could 3500 to 3800 pounds pretty easy. Dry weight means as it left the factory before a pair socks were added. Full time the front under belly will be loaded most likely

I don’t know how to get max RAWR; been all over the Ford website... With that being said, “max payload” on the new F-350 SRW is 7640 lbs. How would I figure what my max pin weight be? I think for what I’m looking at (13K-14K with less than 3K hitch weight dry), I should be safe, but maybe I’m new to all this...

Also, the max loading on most of these is around 2500 lbs. I’m new to this, but simple math using a ration of dry pin weight to total weight shows me that loaded should render a max of 3300 lbs. if I had it full loaded.

We also travel with an enclosed 7x16 trailer behind the wife’s Jeep GC EcoDiesel, which allows us to not overload the current RV for the long trip.

[HamboneTHW]

Originally Posted by Justjamie83

I'm a bit on the opposite side as I don't think I would ever use the outdoor kitchen. I'm going to look more into the Avalanche though, seems I was a bit off on the Rv weights.

13,884 Dry
2,715 Hitch

[consolenut]

Rear axle weight weight is on that ugly sticker in the door jam. It will give you max weight rating for the rear axle. You then have to drive the truck to a scale at a truck stop and weight the truck full of fuel etc. Then you take rear axle weight given by the scale ticket and subtract that from the rating on the door. And thats the amount of hitch weight you have to play with. Subtract another 100 pounds for the hitch or even more depending on the hitch you choose. Its that number you have to play with will tell you how grossly overloaded you might be.

[HamboneTHW]

Originally Posted by consolenut

Rear axle weight weight is on that ugly sticker in the door jam. It will give you max weight rating for the rear axle. You then have to drive the truck to a scale at a truck stop and weight the truck full of fuel etc. Then you take rear axle weight given by the scale ticket and subtract that from the rating on the door. And thats the amount of hitch weight you have to play with. Subtract another 100 pounds for the hitch or even more depending on the hitch you choose. Its that number you have to play with will tell you how grossly overloaded you might be.

I got ya. Well I’ll have to see what I can figure out there too [emoji57]

[HamboneTHW]

I appreciate all the comments and advice! Please keep it coming!

Anyone else have recommendations for specific makes/models?