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Old 12-23-2011, 08:42 PM   #15
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Right now, at the park we're in there are two Suites, one pulled by a extended cab short box Chevy 2500, the other by a CC short box Chevy 2500 and I bet neither one realizes they are most likely over their max pin weight spec.
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Right now, at the park we're in there are two Suites, one pulled by a extended cab short box Chevy 2500, the other by a CC short box Chevy 2500 and I bet neither one realizes they are most likely over their max pin weight spec.
I'll make book that they are, and I'm not even a betting man.

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redalert,
do you already have the truck?
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I have an 2008 ford F350 SWD diesel long bed and I just bought a 2012 Keystone Montana 39 foot long 5th wheel and it only weighs 11k. It is built with aluminum studs to keep the weight down. It is also built to be pulled with short bed pickup's. I highly recommend this RV, we love ours and would buy another in a heart beat.

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I have an 2008 ford F350 SWD diesel long bed and I just bought a 2012 Keystone Montana 39 foot long 5th wheel and it only weighs 11k.
Is that the GVWR, dry weight or ????

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It is built with aluminum studs to keep the weight down.
Most RVs today are built with an aluminum superstructure.

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I have an 2008 ford F350 SWD diesel long bed and I just bought a 2012 Keystone Montana 39 foot long 5th wheel and it only weighs 11k. It is built with aluminum studs to keep the weight down. It is also built to be pulled with short bed pickup's. I highly recommend this RV, we love ours and would buy another in a heart beat.

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I hate to break it to you, but that 11k is empty weight...add about 3k to make it a realistic user weight. There are NO Montanas that are that light when ready to travel. Your SRW Ford will be over it's GVWR with the pin wieght of that new Montana in the bed...BTDT. The guys that say they are not over weight have been listening to the same saleman that told you that Montanas weigh 11k.
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From Keystone specs, the 39' ships at 12500 with 3400 carrying capacity, or near/at 16000 gross. No way it weighs 11000.
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Yes, it is on order and expect delivery by Jan 15, why?
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Yes, it is on order and expect delivery by Jan 15, why?
He's trying to tactfully tell you have not ordered enough truck.
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We have the small Montana with a dry weight just over 10K, ready for travel with all the add on and we're over 14K with a pin weight slightly over 2600, therefore it connected to a Dually.
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Red,
Was just wondering what it weighs and the rear axle capacity. I DO think you are short on the actual weight of the trailer.
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But, i want a unit that will last, has all amenities, high ratings, quality and price is no concern. I will be pulling with a 2012 Ford F350 SRW Diesel short wheel base.
You want your cake and eat it too. Not possible with the normal full-timer fifth wheel.

Your GVWR is 11,200. Your wet and loaded truck when full-timing will weigh about 9,000 pounds when moving from one location to another. That leaves only about 2,200 pounds max pin weight. Figure 20 percent pin weight for a luxury full-timer RV. 2,200 divided by 20 percent = 11,000 pounds. So the GVWR of any 5er you consider should not be more than about 11,000 pounds.

Nobody makes a 5er suitable for full-timing and with a GVWR of only 11,000 pounds. The smallest Mobile Suites is the model 32TKS, with a GVWR of 18,500.
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Face it, when moving from location to location, your 5er is going to be loaded to the GVWR, if not overloaded. So use the GVWR of the trailer for your computations. With a 20 percent hitch weight, you need to haul 3,700 pounds in pin weight. Your SRW is way too light in the britches for such a load.

So forget the 5er until you can bow to the need for a dually, and not just any dually but an F-450 diesel.

In the meantime, all is not lost. You can still go for the original full-timer's RV - the Airstream Classic travel trailer. They have a 30-footer that can "make do" for full-timing. GVWR is 10,000 pounds, and hitch weight will be around 1,200 pounds - well within your hitch weight limits.
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But don't buy just any hitch to pull that rig. You want a ProPride or Hensley Arrow hitch to be certain you never have any problems with trailer sway, regardless of adverse conditions.
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If a 30-foot Airstream Classic is not enough room, then look for a different brand that has slides and a GVWR less than 16,000 pounds. With 12 percent hitch weight, a 16,000 pound TT will have around 2,000 pounds hitch weight, which is in the ballpark for your tow vehicle.
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Well said, Smokey...
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Hoosier 5ver, the simplest way to get the pin weight down is to not get a bed slide. Yes, this means no washer and dryer and you might need to use your shower as a closet, but you'll get a bed that's easier to get in and out of. With actual bed side tables, with drawers even.
Yes many better 5vers have aluminum frames, but they are frequently not all aluminum. Many have wood roof joists or wooden bedroom floor supports or wooden frames behind the front plastic caps. I have been in several Indiana rv manufacturers plants, they are definitely not all built the same. They still make some 5vers with all wood structures from the frame up. The only way to know for sure is to go to your factory and take a tour. They all offer tours even the worse ones.
They all look similar on the dealer lot, but what's inside the walls varies a lot. There are many different wall thicknesses. Types of insulation, some aluminum are welded together some are screwed together. Some plastic skins are hung like a curtain on the outside and screwed on, some are vacuum bonded. The only way to know is to go to your factory and see for your self. Look to see if they have a neatly maintained facility or does it look like some rvs blew up in their plants with parts laying all over the place. No one should buy any rv without seeing the factory it came from, no matter what name brand it is. Gibbs
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