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Old 04-13-2015, 01:31 PM   #57
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What, you still demanding someone look up court cases and prove to you it's okay to not be within the guidelines published by the vehicles manufacturer? I'd like you to show me where it's written that it's okay and no one will be sued for towing overweight and ignoring Federal regulations. Common sense, something that can't be taught.
No, just the unrelenting fear mongering that you and others continue to foster.
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Old 04-13-2015, 05:10 PM   #58
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No, just the unrelenting fear mongering that you and others continue to foster.
Well, I asked my 10 and 13 year old if someone asked them which truck they should buy, one being overweight and one being not overweight, which should they buy? I explained to them the total costs were within 1%-3% of each other so basically the cost difference was not a factor. Without hesitation, both said obviously the one not overweight and said it was a dumb question. Just sayin. By the way, just giving you a hard time and no ill intent and I get your point also.
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It's never overweight if the tires are not overloaded. The manufacture has the different states laws to follow. And most 3/4 tons are regulated to the less them 10000 gross weight of California. Licensing registration is simplified.
The SRW 1 tons with same tires and springs may feel better but be aware that they are the same unit with different paperwork.
Companies here buy the standard 3/4 ton gas because they only stock the one tons with diesels here and up to $30000 more. Register them for the loaded weight and move on. Drive them to the ground. If the springs sag they add more plies. Tires cannot carry the load they add proper tires.
I saw a military 3/4 ton rated for 2 tons on sale at an auction.
It's the law and I have not seen any one stopping these commercial installations.
Some of you need a $70000 truck to pull a 15000# trailer.
My $20000 F250 has done well for the past 8 years and I hope to use it for an other 9 more pulling our 15000 # unit.
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No, just the unrelenting fear mongering that you and others continue to foster.
Russell - telling the truth is fear mongering?? Not in this life!

The experienced are here to help the unknowing or those looking for the correct knowledge. That is common sense.

As I mentioned I have talked personally with a fellow who was fined $800.00 for being overweight after which he had to get a larger truck to proceed. I have personally observed half tons at a weigh scale unloading firewood. Yet you ask for more "proof" as if you are the final arbitrator. Cannot you admit that there may be validity in the being overweight and the legal consequences?

You will not find any cases involving "overweight" as a legal headline in court cases. In 99% of all cases involving overweight, the legal definition is "reckless endangerment", "careless driving" OR "negligence" and "criminal negligence".

Labels like "fear mongering" do little to constructively help someone who asks an honest question and those who answer the question properly. Labels unfortunately are the last line of defense for an indefensible position.
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Russell - telling the truth is fear mongering?? Not in this life!

The experienced are here to help the unknowing or those looking for the correct knowledge. That is common sense.

As I mentioned I have talked personally with a fellow who was fined $800.00 for being overweight after which he had to get a larger truck to proceed. I have personally observed half tons at a weigh scale unloading firewood. Yet you ask for more "proof" as if you are the final arbitrator. Cannot you admit that there may be validity in the being overweight and the legal consequences?

You will not find any cases involving "overweight" as a legal headline in court cases. In 99% of all cases involving overweight, the legal definition is "reckless endangerment", "careless driving" OR "negligence" and "criminal negligence".

Labels like "fear mongering" do little to constructively help someone who asks an honest question and those who answer the question properly. Labels unfortunately are the last line of defense for an indefensible position.
No, I just asked what state it occurred.

Is that too much to ask?
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No, I just asked what state it occurred.

Is that too much to ask?

We have gone through this before. You asked for first hand knowledge.

I tell you where it is and you say something to the effect that it does not prove anything or they are an exception or it does not happen in that state and I am just "fear mongering".

I do not tell you where it is and you say something to the effect that see there is no proof and I am just "fear mongering".
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We have gone through this before. You asked for first hand knowledge.

I tell you where it is and you say something to the effect that it does not prove anything or they are an exception or it does not happen in that state and I am just "fear mongering".

I do not tell you where it is and you say something to the effect that see there is no proof and I am just "fear mongering".
If you can't answer simple questions, I have no option than to give up.

You are right. Keep the mystery alive....

To the OP, get a F450 or bigger so nobody can say you are an illegal.
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From all of the research I've been doing 90% of the time you're over loaded due to pin weight long before you're over on towing capacity.

So since I never want to be overloaded I figure to big or go home. I figured buy it once and you don't have to worry about replacing your TV. Based on that we'll buy a Ram 5500 and deck it out with Kelderman air suspension and short of getting a really huge 5er we'll be good to go.

If wondering why not go to a Volvo tractor it's that the DW does nothing to do with a rig that big so we'll stick with the 5500.
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If you can't answer simple questions, I have no option than to give up.

You are right. Keep the mystery alive....

To the OP, get a F450 or bigger so nobody can say you are an illegal.

I think he did answer your simple question, quite clear to me. I have a friend that's a top lawyer in my area with offices in Dallas also. He's owned several large motor homes and currently has a new one that is huge, guessing it's as large as they come. He specializes in medical lawsuits and I guarantee if he has a client involved in an RV accident he will investigate if they were overweight or not and if they had the correct license. We haven't discussed RV's specifically but have discussed aviation related information. I know that would be the first thing he would look at, it's the most obvious and easiest way to place blame. It's also quite obvious if lawyers are advertising themselves as RV related accident specialist then there's money to be made in that area and plenty of cases.

It's also not called fear mongering, it's called common sense and obeying the law. Now, if one wants to break the law, risk being sued and losing everything they've worked for, go for it. Odds are extremely low and for many it's a risk worth taking. For someone wanting advice, give them the best options available so they can make the best informed decision and also the least costly.
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Incorrect. I asked for verifiable proof. I have yet to get anything verifiable that a non-commercial vehicle was cited and prosecuted for exceeding the vehicle weight rating placard on the vehicle.

Lawsuits in civil courts is a completely separate issue. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.

Continue the fear mongering....
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Back to the original question. OP my 2c

If I were considering any mid to heavy weight 5r. I would look at F350 or the F450 DRW.

The new Ford Diesels are outstanding. And I think I read the 2015's had some changes that even produced more towing capacity.

I also had read some time ago about the new Dodge Diesels and the towing capacity of them are also very strong. So the 1 ton is where I would be at on either brand.

I currently have a 02 F350 DRW 7.3 L. Tow a 18k KOTR and she is a champ!

Want other opinions.... drive into a few camp grounds. Look at what others are pulling with and ask them about their trucks. Good luck! Jim
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Look at the door sticker. That is your limits, no matter what you add on or change to the truck , you can't change that number. Right? So with that mindset, I might as well save money when I buy new tires and get some low rated tires because the door sticker is God. (Insert sarcasm). Safety ratings come with a HUGE buffer, there are so many examples I wouldn't know where to start. But I will, you climb up a 250lb. Rated ladder with a bundle of shingles. Is the ladder gonna break? NO. A rolling baker scaffold is rated at 250lbs., we have loaded them with likely 1000 lbs of material for 15 years, they don't break. My point is , OSHA and all other government run safety divisions run with ridiculous standards to protect the unprotected. If you live your life in fear of going over there standards, well then , that's your right. I for one live a simple, easy going, worry free life and wouldn't have it any other way.
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Incorrect. I asked for verifiable proof. I have yet to get anything verifiable that a non-commercial vehicle was cited and prosecuted for exceeding the vehicle weight rating placard on the vehicle.

Lawsuits in civil courts is a completely separate issue. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.

Continue the fear mongering....
Nobody has to supply YOU with verifiable proof of anything. If you cannot use your 'common sense' then there is no hope.
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Nobody has to supply YOU with verifiable proof of anything. If you cannot use your 'common sense' then there is no hope.
You reinforce the point I'm trying to make......
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