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Old 06-26-2016, 03:11 PM   #1
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Good day Fellow 5thers,
This last week, I had my first "experience" with a 5th wheel (i.e. wing man, friend). He has a new Jayco 27.5 RLTS. The pin box is a Reese Revolution, and a Reese saddle (fixed on a short bed). Being an owner of a tag axle DP, I was quite shocked at the poor ride - i.e. chucking when going over bumps, feeling something is dragging behind, etc.
I was considering changing to a 5th wheel from the DP, but now discussing with the DW, "no way" this would pass muster.
I understand there are better solutions for pin boxes - Mohr Ryde, Trailaire, etc. But until I get a better handle on this situation, know well the ride does not even come close to my DP, a 5th wheel in not in my future. Any input or advice is welcomed.

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Hmm, Interesting observation.
You didn't elaborate much on the rest of your friends equipment. The analogy sounds slightly like my friends Toyota Corolla seems bouncy compared to riding in my Lincoln Town Car. The apples and oranges thing.
There are 5'r setups that do handle and perform very well, even "dragging" 40' and 20+k lbs. Not so much a product Fan-Boy here.
Unsure why you'd be switching from a Tag-DP, I'd suggest you expand your circle of experience to possibly something closer to your target equip. New Horizon / Volvo MDT maybe?
Not really sure what your question is here?


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Help a newbie out with tag DP please?
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Old 06-26-2016, 06:14 PM   #4
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There's alot to getting the right tow vehicle and setting up up right. Just getting a 5'er, hooking up and hitting the road doesn't guarantee a perfect fit, ride, or pull. There's too much info not available to maybe help you decide what may have been wrong. I can say that I have a buddy why got the right truck for his 5'er with a hitch pre installed. After his first pull he told me the same thing. We looked and his hitch was installed way behind the rear axle and it was incorrectly installed with just 4 home made angle brackets and 4 very small bolts. Like use a 9/16 wrench bolts. I had him order the correct frame mount with all the bolts for his truck and we took a Saturday and got the cobbled scrap metal out and installed his hitch correctly. All problems were solved. This in not saying your buddy has the same thing. but if it's that bad of a ride, he should look at why. Ours pulls very smooth and easy, especially with our DRW 3500.
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Hello Again 5thers,
Good reply thus far. My friend has a Silverdao 1500, V8, Air Lyft air bags, and BF Goodrich 8 plys. The hitch/saddle was installed by one of the top 50's RV dealers in the US - Rick's RV. Thus it was installed correctly. I know that a DRW makes a big improvement, but this would be overkill for a 27.5 footer. I would like to hear some controversy on a different pin box. The trailer and truck are "set in stone" for now.

Regarding a tax axle - DP - this is a Diesel Pusher, the dually rear tires have an extra axle and tire. This is like a Greyhound bus setup.
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When we first started out we had a 5 the wheel and experienced a lot of this.
First of all we didn't have it loaded correctly. Once we properly increased the pin weight it helped. Also understand that the suspension equipment installed in the lower end towables is not the best.
Upgrading to heavier brakes, shackles and in our case shocks helped tremendously.
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Hello Again 5thers,
Good reply thus far. My friend has a Silverdao 1500, V8, Air Lyft air bags, and BF Goodrich 8 plys. The hitch/saddle was installed by one of the top 50's RV dealers in the US - Rick's RV. Thus it was installed correctly. I know that a DRW makes a big improvement, but this would be overkill for a 27.5 footer. I would like to hear some controversy on a different pin box. The trailer and truck are "set in stone" for now.

Regarding a tax axle - DP - this is a Diesel Pusher, the dually rear tires have an extra axle and tire. This is like a Greyhound bus setup.
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1500? A half ton pickup for a fifth wheel?
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Switching to an Andersen alluminum hitch (requires a GN hitch) and standard pin box will help in a couple ways: 1. It will reduce the chucking/bucking. 2. It will trim away some of the overload this truck is asked to handle.

Reece Goosebox might be a good option for this setup too.

Best advice you can give to your friend, though, is step up to a 2500 series truck or larger.
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Old 06-27-2016, 04:39 PM   #9
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Get a Hensly Air ride hitchl have had one for 3 yrs they work great. Tou are never going to get the same ride out of a pick up truck as a tag axle air ride DP. Tthat is a no brainer .
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1500? A half ton pickup for a fifth wheel?
Exactly, if a 1/2 ton carrying the weight of a fiver pin weight had the ride qualities of a DP pusher, then we would all own that setup. But in reality, I have owned 5 different fifth wheels and 4 trucks, two were 1500's, a 2500HD and now the 3500. Twice I had serious ride issues. One was a very specific section of road and I changed nothing. Second rig I had the stock suspension replaced with Mor/ryde IS. Otherwise, I've never needed an aftermarket hitch or pin box.
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How do you pull your trailer without an after market hitch ? They are all after market.
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Hello Again 5thers,
Good reply thus far. My friend has a Silverdao 1500, V8, Air Lyft air bags, and BF Goodrich 8 plys. The hitch/saddle was installed by one of the top 50's RV dealers in the US - Rick's RV. Thus it was installed correctly. I know that a DRW makes a big improvement, but this would be overkill for a 27.5 footer. I would like to hear some controversy on a different pin box. The trailer and truck are "set in stone" for now.

Regarding a tax axle - DP - this is a Diesel Pusher, the dually rear tires have an extra axle and tire. This is like a Greyhound bus setup.
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LOL oh my gosh, there's the problem... your friend needs at least a 2500... he's more than maxing out the rear which just flattens the whole thing out, airbags or not.... that much weight removes the travel of the suspension, and it's not only very dicey, but rough.

That thing has an advertised hitch weight of over 1500lbs... which are usually "best case" weights... cracking me up...

I bet you would feel much differently about the whole thing if you had the chance to try the same RV on a 2500 or 3500...

Not to mention the improved drive train and braking of the bigger trucks.
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How do you pull your trailer without an after market hitch ? They are all after market.
Right, it is 16 yrs old, doesn't have side pivot and zero cushioning.
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1500? A half ton pickup for a fifth wheel?
I pulled a 34' fiver dry weight of 7200 lbs with a F-150 EcoBoost, took me over many of the high Rocky Mountain passes with no issues at all. It was great for what we had.
I have sense upgraded to a heavier fiver and heavier truck.
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