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Old 08-07-2016, 01:14 PM   #1
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Shopping for new 5th wheel

Looking to upgrade our travel trailer to a 5th wheel. Is 25-30% off MSRP still a reasonable target price? Any thoughts on brands? Looking for a bunkhouse floorplan with a half bath? TV is a Chev 2500HD Diesel. Thanks a lot.
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thoughts on brands depends a lot on budget. If you were okay sharing that, there's always a better, better best at any price range.

That 2500 is going to limit you though on weight and size.
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A lot of the % off MSRP depends on location and time of year. Closer to where they are made will be cheaper. But, even with that, out here on the west coast I got my 5th MSRP of 47K for 31K last January which is less than 70% MSRP.

I got a Keystone Hideout 308BHS - the half bath is what sold us. Also, the bunk room is so big you can almost forget you have kids for short periods of time At 35' it is big, though.

Mine weighs between 10-11K all loaded up. You'll be over your payload on your D-max but likely well under the rear axle weight and well below what that truck can haul. Look into a set of airbags if you want to really do it right.
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thoughts on brands depends a lot on budget. If you were okay sharing that, there's always a better, better best at any price range.

That 2500 is going to limit you though on weight and size.
Budget is mid 50's (assuming 25-30% off MSRP, I'm looking at units in the $70s). Bunkhouse and outdoor kitchen are both critical features. A half bath would be a definite plus. Washer/dryer hookups are a "nice to have", but not critical. I've seen the Grand Design Reflection 323 and 357 on line (not in person), and they look interesting. The reviews seem to be strong. We're currently in a Winnebago Ultralite TT with a Bunkhouse, but after 3 years with it, we're starting to notice it gets a bit crowded on longer trips and rainy days. Any thoughts would be much obliged.
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we just upgraded this spring from a TT to a 5er. I was able to get our Chaparral 360IBL, which MSRP was $55k, for $38,900 so right about 30% off.

Almost every decent Bunk house floor plan will leave your 2500 well overloaded... Which is why I upgraded from a 2500 due the 3500 DRW this spring to go with the Chaparral.
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we just upgraded this spring from a TT to a 5er. I was able to get our Chaparral 360IBL, which MSRP was $55k, for $38,900 so right about 30% off.

Almost every decent Bunk house floor plan will leave your 2500 well overloaded... Which is why I upgraded from a 2500 due the 3500 DRW this spring to go with the Chaparral.

Looking at the 3600IBL, it has a GVWR of 14k and a Hitch Weight of 2k. The Silverado 2500 HD with D-Max has a max tow of 18k and a payload of 3.2k. Even allowing 700lb for passengers, I don't see how I'm over loaded. It looks like I have roughly 20% margin. Also, at any given camp ground, 80% of the 5th wheels are being pulled by 3/4 ton trucks (and 10% by 1/2 ton trucks) . Would you mind explaining? I hope I don't come across as combative, because I would really like to understand this. Thanks.
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Grand Design 357BHS has a halfbath.
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Ucfengr,

Yes, the GVWR of the 360IBL is 14,000.. always ignore the pin weight number the mfg lists... they are way off. 5th wheel pin weights will be 20%-25% of trailer weight... always assume GVWR, 25% pin weight is 3,500... which is over your payload. Even if you assume 20% that is 2,800 lbs, which by the time you add in hitch weight and the family will get very tight if even possible.

I should also add that the 360IBL layout tends to lend to heavy pin weights as everything aft of the axles is non- accessible so we tend to load everything in the front bedroom and basement storage.

Don't get me wrong... your Duramax will pull it. And it would probably handle reasonably well... it pained me bad to sell my beloved 2500 Ram, but I was not willing to play the "it should be good enough" game with my family.
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We just upgraded from a TT to our first fifth wheel too. We paid 35% below MSRP. It was a 2016 model that had been on the dealers lot for a year. We also travelled a ways to get it.

After researching for months we found the model/floor plan we wanted, a Heartland Bighorn 3570RS. Turns out this is a discontinued model, which led us to the out-of-state dealer with the older inventory. We had been planning on ordering a new unit.

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I've owned the Chaparral 360IBL for a year now and really like the floor plan. I pull it with a 2012 GMC Duramax with ease. We pulled it from Houston to Estes Park this summer. The only problem I had was with my truck and DEF system. BTW I averaged 10.5 MPG on the trip.
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Yes, the GVWR of the 360IBL is 14,000.. always ignore the pin weight number the mfg lists... they are way off. 5th wheel pin weights will be 20%-25% of trailer weight... always assume GVWR, 25% pin weight is 3,500... which is over your payload. Even if you assume 20% that is 2,800 lbs, which by the time you add in hitch weight and the family will get very tight if even possible.

I should also add that the 360IBL layout tends to lend to heavy pin weights as everything aft of the axles is non- accessible so we tend to load everything in the front bedroom and basement storage.

Don't get me wrong... your Duramax will pull it. And it would probably handle reasonably well... it pained me bad to sell my beloved 2500 Ram, but I was not willing to play the "it should be good enough" game with my family.
This week I did what Chertz did. I now am in a dually. My trailer loaded (mainly in front of the axles) scaled at 15,000 with 3200 of that on the pin. This put me 200 lbs over the GRAW rating of the truck. Thats not much... but it was 1700 lbs over on the GVWR of 10,000. My 2500 Ram drove great and I had no complaints. In the end, I did not want to face a problem with the troopers or my insurance company but primarily wanted the peace of mind that my family is safer riding in the dually than the 2500.

I know that my 2500 was every bit as capable as a 3500 SRW. Peace of mind prevailed.
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Details DJ... what kind of truck did u get?
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We just upgraded from a TT to our first fifth wheel too. We paid 35% below MSRP. It was a 2016 model that had been on the dealers lot for a year. We also travelled a ways to get it.

After researching for months we found the model/floor plan we wanted, a Heartland Bighorn 3570RS. Turns out this is a discontinued model, which led us to the out-of-state dealer with the older inventory. We had been planning on ordering a new unit.
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