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Old 10-05-2016, 08:05 PM   #57
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I wonder if insurance claims have been denied because GCWR are was exceeded between the truck and the trailer.
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Old 10-06-2016, 10:45 AM   #58
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Now here is a great example of a person in denial. Admits he is both overweight and over gross, but the old "tows like a dream". He has a high output engine, a great transmission but has to tow in 4th or 5th because it has too high of gear set. 3:42 is a gear for fuel economy, not towing. That is why we have 3.73/4.10 gears available for DRW trucks.

For a extra $1200 (sticker price) he could have gotten a DRW with a gear ratio suited for towing. Instead got a HO engine, a $2500 transmission with the "go to the grocery store gears". Plus he is overweight and over gross.

O'well, I like my DRW, 3.73, got a tow rating of 22+K and my 14,5K trailer just tags along in 6th gear.

No, not in denial..when looking for a truck in my area, out of 400 trucks, no long beds and no dualies. So we bought a 15 megacab, 4x4 Laramie srw. Air leveling rear, factory 5th wheel prep. 385 hp and 865 torque. We just pulled from the west coast to yhe east coast. Over 7000 miles of towing. Could not be happier! Really! Had a dually and the only thing the duallie had was a tiny bit more stability and the gvwr. But yhe dually was on the overloads.. the srw with yhe auto bags rides nice and level. This Same srw set up in a dually has a 6000 lb towing advantage. All because of two tires..
I should have a dually if only to keep the gvw and rawr in spec.over..250 on gvwr and 100 on rear axle...I think with some adjusting I can fix this...If worse come to worse, buy a dually or convert mine to a dually...but so far so good...[
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Old 10-06-2016, 10:47 AM   #59
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i wonder if insurance claims have been denied because gcwr are was exceeded between the truck and the trailer.
no never,!
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Old 10-06-2016, 06:19 PM   #60
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Don't worry about a couple of hundred lbs. There is tire reserve and axle will handle more as will the rear end.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:25 AM   #61
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Surely these guys know way more than the engineers designing the trucks!
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Surely these guys know way more than the engineers designing the trucks!
don;t need no stinkung engineir, themb numberers on thr door jam don,t meen nuthing. it towes lik a drean.

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IMO we have to be wary.

The engineers will design it and being around engineers will have it able to take overloads very well.

Then marketing will look at it and say "But our competition has a higher GVWR and GCWR to we have to increase ours".

The engineers will say "No worries - we will redesign and increase the capacity to exceed the competition".

Then management will say "Do not have the time or money to do a redesign. Can we increase the capacity without a redesign and still be within "limits".

Engineers will say "I suppose it would be OK".

Then marketing goes and prints a new set of specs to meet or exceed the specifications.

Lawyers say we are close but will be OK.

Down the road there is a recall because some component failed because everyone says the engineers designed it with a big safety factor and we have a number of injuries or death.

And the engineers get blamed.

This work is fictional and any names or places are coincidental.
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IMO we have to be wary.

The engineers will design it and being around engineers will have it able to take overloads very well.

Then marketing will look at it and say "But our competition has a higher GVWR and GCWR to we have to increase ours".

The engineers will say "No worries - we will redesign and increase the capacity to exceed the competition".

Then management will say "Do not have the time or money to do a redesign. Can we increase the capacity without a redesign and still be within "limits".

Engineers will say "I suppose it would be OK".

Then marketing goes and prints a new set of specs to meet or exceed the specifications.

Lawyers say we are close but will be OK.

Down the road there is a recall because some component failed because everyone says the engineers designed it with a big safety factor and we have a number of injuries or death.

And the engineers get blamed.

This work is fictional and any names or places are coincidental.
You are right! Listen to the guys who barely made it through high school. That read that another guy did it with no problems so let's all do it! This way of thinking is why the government will have rvs rolling across scales like big rigs then you can start complaining that it is bs we have to do this, or better yet you should have a commercial driver's license to pull a camper!
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:22 PM   #66
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Now here is a great example of a person in denial. Admits he is both overweight and over gross, but the old "tows like a dream". He has a high output engine, a great transmission but has to tow in 4th or 5th because it has too high of gear set. 3:42 is a gear for fuel economy, not towing. That is why we have 3.73/4.10 gears available for DRW trucks.

For a extra $1200 (sticker price) he could have gotten a DRW with a gear ratio suited for towing. Instead got a HO engine, a $2500 transmission with the "go to the grocery store gears". Plus he is overweight and over gross.

O'well, I like my DRW, 3.73, got a tow rating of 22+K and my 14,5K trailer just tags along in 6th gear.

NO ! NOT IN DENIAL! I CAN SWAP THE GErs for 1200.. iwanted a dually but there were non. When in tpw haul node, dont the trucks stay in 5th anyway?but i will smile tire time!..now, this same truck in a sb dually tow rated about 6000 more lbs..same everythong cept tires..
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don;t need no stinkung engineir, themb numberers on thr door jam don,t meen nuthing. it towes lik a drean.

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No, not in denial..when looking for a truck in my area, out of 400 trucks, no long beds and no dualies. So we bought a 15 megacab, 4x4 Laramie srw. Air leveling rear, factory 5th wheel prep. 385 hp and 865 torque. We just pulled from the west coast to yhe east coast. Over 7000 miles of towing. Could not be happier! Really! Had a dually and the only thing the duallie had was a tiny bit more stability and the gvwr. But yhe dually was on the overloads.. the srw with yhe auto bags rides nice and level. This Same srw set up in a dually has a 6000 lb towing advantage. All because of two tires..
I should have a dually if only to keep the gvw and rawr in spec.over..250 on gvwr and 100 on rear axle...I think with some adjusting I can fix this...If worse come to worse, buy a dually or convert mine to a dually...but so far so good...[
Sorry but you very well may be.

You need to run your configuration through ChangingGears online weights system to see just where you may be over. Exceeding ANY of the three major weights, GVWR, GAWR or GCWR puts you in danger, both legal and physical. It's just not worth the RISK!! And remember you have to include all passengers, cargo and hitch weights when doing the calculation.

The rear GAWR on your truck is 7,000 vrs the DWR of 9,500 so you're likely over your legal GAWR.

You can have the ratio change to a 3.73 easily with the application of some $s. However the SWR never had the option for a 3.73.

You could likely even have it converted to a DWR but you'd have to buy a new bed along with the new rear axel assembly, springs and who know what else so it's likely not worth it.

Here are the 2016 specifications for yours and the DWR versions like yours. Didn't have the 2015 weights but they aren't that much different.

GVWR, Payload, Base Weight Total/Front/Rear, GAWR Front/Rear, GCWR, Trailer GVWR

6.7L CUMMINS DIESEL MCSB, SWR, 3.42

Trans., GVWR, Payload, Base Weight Total/Front/Rear, GAWR Front/Rear, GCWR, Trailer GVWR
M6 MT-G56, 12,300, 4,230, 8,072/4,935/3,136, 6,000/7,000, 24,300, 15,760
A6 68RFE, 12,300, 4,270, 8,028/4,898/3,129, 6,000, 7,000, 25,300, 16,800
A6 AS69RC, 12,300, 4,130, 8,175/5,013/3,161, 6,000, 7,000, 25,300, 16,660

6.7L CUMMINS DIESEL MCSB, DWR 3.42

Trans., GVWR, Payload, Base Weight Total/Front/Rear, GAWR Front/Rear, GCWR, Trailer GVWR
M6 MT-G56, 14,000, 5,590, 8,409/4,924/3,485, 6,000/9,750, 24,300, 15,420
A6 68RFE, 14,000, 5,630, 8,366/4,887/3,478, 6,000/9,750, 25,300, 16,460
A6 AS69RC, 14,000, 5,490, 8,513/5,002/3,510, 6,000/9,750, 29,300, 20,320

6.7L CUMMINS DIESEL MCSB, DWR, 3.73

Trans., GVWR, Payload, Base Weight Total/Front/Rear, GAWR Front/Rear, GCWR, Trailer GVWR
M6 MT-G56, 14,000, 5,590, 8,409/4,924/3,485, 6,000/9,750, 26,300, 17,420
A6 68RFE, 14,000, 5,630, 8,366/4,887/3,478, 6,000/9,750, 27,300, 18,460
A6 AS69RC, 14,000, 5,490, 8,513/5,002/3,510, 6,000/9,750, 33,800, 24,820
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You know as much about commercial weigh stations as you do about trucks. Just because you seem to think trucks are going carreen off of cliffs because they a couple of hundred pounds overweight on the axle does not give you the right to start calling people stupid or barely literate.
The fact is that they do underate them because of the lawyers . Your fictional scenerio is the opposite of what really happens.
I have 35 yrs on the road and about three and a half million miles of driving and l can count all the camper wrecks l have observed on one hand and half of them were due to winds and weather and crappy tires.
More to worry about with people not having their brakes adjusted , knowing how to back up and not speeding then overweight .
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You know as much about commercial weigh stations as you do about trucks. Just because you seem to think trucks are going carreen off of cliffs because they a couple of hundred pounds overweight on the axle does not give you the right to start calling people stupid or barely literate.
The fact is that they do underate them because of the lawyers . Your fictional scenerio is the opposite of what really happens.
I have 35 yrs on the road and about three and a half million miles of driving and l can count all the camper wrecks l have observed on one hand and half of them were due to winds and weather and crappy tires.
More to worry about with people not having their brakes adjusted , knowing how to back up and not speeding then overweight .
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