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Old 12-05-2019, 11:09 AM   #1
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Good morning all, we recently traded our Class A in on a 2020 Columbus Palomino 378MB. We are living in it and don’t need to move for quite some time. We are starting research into tow vehicles and trying to find what’s in the realm of possible and what’s the best route.

Our fiver is a little over 16K fully loaded with an unloaded pin weight of 2,150 lbs. We are leaning toward a DRW truck, but wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on the newer 350/3500 SRW trucks?

We definitely have time to figure it out, but interested in everyone’s insights. Thanks in advance!
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Good morning all, we recently traded our Class A in on a 2020 Columbus Palomino 378MB. We are living in it and don’t need to move for quite some time. We are starting research into tow vehicles and trying to find what’s in the realm of possible and what’s the best route.

Our fiver is a little over 16K fully loaded with an unloaded pin weight of 2,150 lbs. We are leaning toward a DRW truck, but wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on the newer 350/3500 SRW trucks?

We definitely have time to figure it out, but interested in everyone’s insights. Thanks in advance!
You can tow that trailer with a 6.7 F250. And if that doesn't keep you in your comfort zone, go with a SRW F350. I wouldn't get a dually unless it was absolutely necessary. You can also probably use a 6 1/2’ bed model. Check this with the trailer and hitch mfgr’s. But I towed a similar trailer with my F250 from NY to NH with no trailer brakes (the exhaust brake really works) Installed new trailer brakes, and then towed it to Ca - no issues at all. The truck is rated for 27k lbs towing with the pin (BW in my case), and I over 20,000 from the hitch. The hitch pin that came with the truck is stamped 21,000lbs.

Also the 6.5’ bed was no problem and it a lot more maneuverable as a daily driver.

Heres the 2020 F250 specs for a truck prepared for max towing:

Maximum Conventional Towing 24,200 lbs.
Maximum 5th Wheel Towing 32,500 lbs.
Maximum Gooseneck Towing 37,000 lbs.
Maximum Payload 7,850 lbs.
Maximum GVWR 14,000 lbs.

My truck is a 2017 so you could look a lightly used trucks and get all the capacity you need without duals or even an F350. But since the cost is about the same the 350 might give you more peace of mind.

Good luck!
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F250/ 2500 rear gawr will be maxed out. Add a 5th wheel hitch and your bed load will be close to 3000lbs. F350/ 3500 will have around 4000lbs of bed load. A DRW F350/3500 will tow much better with a bed load of 5500lbs or so. My 06 srw 3500 Dodge was with in 400 lbs of rear tire load. Towed ok but wind caused some white nuckle driving. I moved up to a 2017 F350 DRW. It tows so much better. Very relaxed towing. Just did a 1000 mile round trip with my 5th wheel. Had the Cruse control set at 70mph. Had some high winds on the way back. No issues. If you want srw a F350 / 3500 is the only way to go. Bed load is the F250 / 2500 Achilles heal.
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F250/ 2500 rear gawr will be maxed out. Add a 5th wheel hitch and your bed load will be close to 3000lbs. F350/ 3500 will have around 4000lbs of bed load. A DRW F350/3500 will tow much better with a bed load of 5500lbs or so. My 06 srw 3500 Dodge was with in 400 lbs of rear tire load. Towed ok but wind caused some white nuckle driving. I moved up to a 2017 F350 DRW. It tows so much better. Very relaxed towing. Just did a 1000 mile round trip with my 5th wheel. Had the Cruse control set at 70mph. Had some high winds on the way back. No issues. If you want srw a F350 / 3500 is the only way to go. Bed load is the F250 / 2500 Achilles heal.


What does your fiver weigh in comparison to ours? I believe the newer SRW 350/3500 have better payload ratings. I have heard the DRW would equate to better towing. Not that we mind a dually as a full time vehicle, but a SRW would definitely be more convenient. With that said, I don’t want to sacrifice safety.
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You can tow that trailer with a 6.7 F250. And if that doesn't keep you in your comfort zone, go with a SRW F350. I wouldn't get a dually unless it was absolutely necessary. You can also probably use a 6 1/2’ bed model. Check this with the trailer and hitch mfgr’s. But I towed a similar trailer with my F250 from NY to NH with no trailer brakes (the exhaust brake really works) Installed new trailer brakes, and then towed it to Ca - no issues at all. The truck is rated for 27k lbs towing with the pin (BW in my case), and I over 20,000 from the hitch. The hitch pin that came with the truck is stamped 21,000lbs.

Also the 6.5’ bed was no problem and it a lot more maneuverable as a daily driver.

Heres the 2020 F250 specs for a truck prepared for max towing:

Maximum Conventional Towing24,200 lbs.
Maximum 5th Wheel Towing32,500 lbs.
Maximum Gooseneck Towing37,000 lbs.
Maximum Payload7,850 lbs.
Maximum GVWR14,000 lbs.

My truck is a 2017 so you could look a lightly used trucks and get all the capacity you need without duals or even an F350. But since the cost is about the same the 350 might give you more peace of mind.

Good luck!


Thanks for that detail. The SRW would be more wanted, personally, but I worry about stability towing something that big (42’) with a SRW. Recommendations from the older folks in our park is to bite the bullet and get a dually. Dually’s aren’t bad, but can be a challenge as an everyday driver at times.
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My 5th wheel is a Sierra 375 RKS. It has a 15500 lb gvwr. It is 41 ft long, 13 ft 2 inches tall. Has 2500 lb hitch weight.1900 lb dry. Weights 13000 lb. 11882lb dry. 10500 lbs on the axles. Truck weights 8700 lbs with 500 lbs of B&W companion and gooseneck hitch. 21700 lbs total weight. The newer F250/ 2500 have a 9900lb gvwr .F350 /3500 srw have 11500 gvwr and F350 / 3500 drw have a 14000lb gvwr. My 06 Dodge 3500 has a 9900 lb gvwr. My 2017 F350 Drew has a 14000lb gvwr. The first thing I did on both trucks is weight them and weight my 5th wheel. You need to stay in your tire load which ever truck you pick. . That is were my Dodge 3500 was maxed out.
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My Alpine is 15500 max and runs a 3300 lb tongue weight when loaded. I bought a dually for the additional stability while towing. It is a 2016 F-350 DRW 4x4 Crewcab long bed with a payload of 5600lbs.
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Heres the 2020 F250 specs for a truck prepared for max towing:

Maximum Conventional Towing 24,200 lbs.
Maximum 5th Wheel Towing 32,500 lbs.
Maximum Gooseneck Towing 37,000 lbs.
Maximum Payload 7,850 lbs.
Maximum GVWR 14,000 lbs.
Those numbers look considerably different from these numbers for the 2020 F 250

https://media.ford.com/content/dam/f...Tech-Specs.pdf
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Good morning all, we recently traded our Class A in on a 2020 Columbus Palomino 378MB. We are living in it and don’t need to move for quite some time. We are starting research into tow vehicles and trying to find what’s in the realm of possible and what’s the best route.

Our fiver is a little over 16K fully loaded with an unloaded pin weight of 2,150 lbs. We are leaning toward a DRW truck, but wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on the newer 350/3500 SRW trucks?

We definitely have time to figure it out, but interested in everyone’s insights. Thanks in advance!
I would NEVER try to tow that with any 3/4 ton model. I don't think I'd even feel comfortable with a SRW 1 ton to be honest.

16k loaded 5th wheel should yield a 3200 b pin weight. Average is around 20%. Most heavy loading goes in front of the 5th wheel belly, front closet (clothes), generator, batteries, STUFF! Add the 5th wheel hitch and lotsa stuff, 4000 lbs is not rare!

You'll find your tires maxed out with those weights, super fast rear tire wear, unstability etc.

Seriously, a dually is so stable. It is not much different to drive. With today's cameras and parking monitors, it'll park as easily as any similar SRW 95% of the time. It's not like you buy a hauling truck to be shopping daily in large metro areas anyway, right?

Don't make the same mistake my friend did. With all the add-ons my friend put on his 3/4 ton diesel just to make it "semi-safe" he could have bought a dually. After I forced him to weigh his setup loaded he now realizes his tires are over max weights. NOTHING he can do about it but risk driving as-is or upgrade truck now.
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I would NEVER try to tow that with any 3/4 ton model. I don't think I'd even feel comfortable with a SRW 1 ton to be honest.



16k loaded 5th wheel should yield a 3200 b pin weight. Average is around 20%. Most heavy loading goes in front of the 5th wheel belly, front closet (clothes), generator, batteries, STUFF! Add the 5th wheel hitch and lotsa stuff, 4000 lbs is not rare!



You'll find your tires maxed out with those weights, super fast rear tire wear, unstability etc.



Seriously, a dually is so stable. It is not much different to drive. With today's cameras and parking monitors, it'll park as easily as any similar SRW 95% of the time. It's not like you buy a hauling truck to be shopping daily in large metro areas anyway, right?



Don't make the same mistake my friend did. With all the add-ons my friend put on his 3/4 ton diesel just to make it "semi-safe" he could have bought a dually. After I forced him to weigh his setup loaded he now realizes his tires are over max weights. NOTHING he can do about it but risk driving as-is or upgrade truck now.


The only thing that threw me was unloaded, this unit weighs 13,826 lbs. with a pin weight of 2,251 lbs. CCC is 2,425. Taking 30% of 2,425 would put the hitch at just under 3,000 lbs.

I think the argument for a dually is definitely there, just trying to collect recommendations from those of you pulling yours now.

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I just got thru researching new trucks until I couldn't stand it. The new 2020 GMC 3500's now have 12,100 GVWR for the single rear wheel short bed and 12,250 with the long bed. I think a diesel is required to get those ratings. This up from the previous models 11,500. Also the wheel base is about 6 inches longer. The duals remain at 14K.

The new 2020 Fords pretty much stayed the same GVWR except for a few specific configurations. The highest rating for a single rear wheel is 12,400 which requires an F350, crewcab, long bed, 4X4, 6.7 diesel and 20" wheels with all terrain tires. Before deducting for the weight of options it is rated for 4580 pounds of payload. I have one on order but it will be a while before I get it so can't say much about it yet. I'm pretty sure it will have above 4K payload capacity.
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The only thing that threw me was unloaded, this unit weighs 13,826 lbs. with a pin weight of 2,251 lbs. CCC is 2,425. Taking 30% of 2,425 would put the hitch at just under 3,000 lbs.

I think the argument for a dually is definitely there, just trying to collect recommendations from those of you pulling yours now.

Thanks for the insight.
Don't for a minute believe published pin weights. Their job is to make numbers look good to sell to as many potential buyers as possible. Typically, the add-ons such as 2nd A/C,batteries, propane tanks and other stuff haven't been weighed. It's pretty easy to add 1000lbs of fresh and waste water.

For a general average, figure on using GVWR of the trailer x 20% for the pin weight. Don't forget any cargo and passengers in the truck will reduce payload and RAWR. 2 tires can only support so much.
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16,000 lbs, humm that is kinda heavy for even the new 2020 trucks I think. Your pin weight will be 4,000lbs. The 2020 GM 3500 trucks with a gas engine will have the highest payload but towing with a gas engine with 16,000lbs will not be fun.

The new GM 3500 SRW trucks have a 7,200 lb. rear axle. So the 'E' rated tires are a good match. Same as the Ford F-350 I think.

Buy the time you add a 5th wheel hitch, tools, other camping stuff and people you will be around 7,500 - 8,000lbs on the back axle. That is really too much weight on any single rear wheel truck.

If you jump up to a dually they have 9,600lb axles and 4 tires to carry the weight.
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16,000 lbs, humm that is kinda heavy for even the new 2020 trucks I think. Your pin weight will be 4,000lbs. The 2020 GM 3500 trucks with a gas engine will have the highest payload but towing with a gas engine with 16,000lbs will not be fun.

The new GM 3500 SRW trucks have a 7,200 lb. rear axle. So the 'E' rated tires are a good match. Same as the Ford F-350 I think.

Buy the time you add a 5th wheel hitch, tools, other camping stuff and people you will be around 7,500 - 8,000lbs on the back axle. That is really too much weight on any single rear wheel truck.

If you jump up to a dually they have 9,600lb axles and 4 tires to carry the weight.


I think we’re probably going to have to go dually. All of this pretty much confirms it. I love this forum for these discussions and insight!
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