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Old 08-09-2016, 05:38 PM   #1
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Traded Class A for a 38 ft Everest 5th wheel

So we just bought a 2008 5th wheel like new, Everest. 38 ft w/4 slide out,s. I plan on pulling it with a 1996 K3500 454 dually 454 This truck is like brand new yet. any thoughts Camper weight is 11,980 pounds dry weight .
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Old 08-09-2016, 06:17 PM   #2
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Old 08-09-2016, 06:26 PM   #3
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To be blunt, dry weight means nothing. You will never tow it at that weight. What is the GVWR of that trailer? I'll bet it's around 14,000 pounds. I pulled a similar Everest with a 2009 Chevy 2500 Duramax and it towed fine. Your 454 should tow it adequately depending on what gears are in your rear end.
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looks like you're going to be a bit overweight according to the specs.
10.000lbs with a 4:10 and 12,00lbs with a 4:56 rear end gears.
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What was your reason for the change. I have had fifth wheel for 15 years and I keep thinking I'd be better of with a MH. main reason is that it is a PITA to drive that dually all over the country, especially in the tourist towns we visit.

I'd just appreciate your thoughts. Thanks Stan
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:44 AM   #6
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In 1994, I bought a 27' Class C to tow my trailer and race car. I used it to travel to most of the tracks in the US, east of the Mississippi River. I had been using a 3/4 ton conversion van that proved inadequate, and the fuel injected big block Ford drivetrain was great for the job. Along the way, we used it for spring break vacations and other short trips with family.

In 2001, we had the opportunity to buy a 2000 model Class A and did so. I used it also as a tow vehicle, and after I retired in 2002, used it as a winter home in the Keys. It was a V10 gas model Southwind, and served us well for the years we owned it. I quit racing in 2013, so the towing aspect was no longer a necessary item after that.

Last winter, we spent 5 months in the south, and during that time had many a discussion about selling our then 15 year old motorhome and replacing it with something newer and more spacious. Since we spend our time in one location, we came to the conclusion that a 5th wheel would better suit our needs, so we bought a new one this spring. We had been towing a "support trailer" with freezer, pantry, washer/dryer, and motorcycles behind the motorhome, and with the new rig, that is no longer needed.

Our needs have changed, and along with that, so has the rig we use to camp in. I still travel a fair amount, usually 10K miles a year, but do that solo on a motorcycle. I would encourage you to carefully evaluate your needs then buy what fits them.

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AS noted, the 454 CID engine is a strong engine, but it does have a huge affinity for service stations. Plan for frequent fuel stops. Probably 6 to 7 mpg towing and no better than about 12 when solo.

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Yup, went from a 35' class A to a 35' fifth wheel. Never looked back. So much more interior space and storage, plus all my "outside" storage stuff fit as well. Just had to go from a half ton to three quarter ton truck.
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What was your reason for the change. I have had fifth wheel for 15 years and I keep thinking I'd be better of with a MH. main reason is that it is a PITA to drive that dually all over the country, especially in the tourist towns we visit.

I'd just appreciate your thoughts. Thanks Stan
Our reasons were:
1. The reality of how much we were using it. I'd rather a trailer sit than a motorhome. Motorhome tires are really expensive.
2. Cost of maintenance (3 engines vs 1).
3. My ability to maintain the unit, our last class A required some heavy duty tools I don't possess.

Plus, the wifey really likes the superior amount of inside storage, roominess, and interior brightness. Our class A was dark because it didn't have many windows.
There were other considerations as well.

So far as the truck goes, we had a 1/2 ton crew cab short bed before. Which wifey was fine driving in those small "tourist" towns we visited.

The new 3/4 ton crew cab short bed is only a foot longer and she has no problem cruising it around the small "tourist" towns either.

We have owned 3 class A's and a class C. The best so far has been the fifth wheel.
Happy Cruising!
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That trailer is going to be a bit heavy for the 454 4l80E combo. The 4l80/85E has a taller first gear which is less than ideal for the heavier loads. They did use it in large motorhomes before the Allison came out, but probably with 5.xx gears in the rear. The truck itself will handle it no problem. You have slightly less horsepower and about 50 ft lbs more torque than my truck does. If the truck is 2wd and doesn't already have 4.56 gears (I doubt it) I would have the gears changed to 4.56 or 4.88. Your transmission will thank you.

Your trailer could weigh 15,000lbs by the time you load for a long trip. If you don't go to the mountains or real hilly areas you should make out just fine as long as you don't push the horse to hard even with the 4.10 gears. If nothing else an oversized trans cooler and temp gauge and maybe some cash set aside with the mindset you may need a HD custom built trans in a few years if you plan to keep the truck.
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That 454 would pull it with 373s there is no reason to ever go above 410 gear ratio unless you are pulling 40000 lbs and want to do it at 45mph. My trailer weighs 17200 and 373s work just fine out here in the rockies
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That 454 would pull it with 373s there is no reason to ever go above 410 gear ratio unless you are pulling 40000 lbs and want to do it at 45mph. My trailer weighs 17200 and 373s work just fine out here in the rockies
It appears that you have 3.73's in a 2015 Duramax Dually which is a completely different truck than a 96' 3500 with a 454. He has about half the torque you have and about 300hp on a good day. 4.56's will give him a better starting gear and allow him to stay in 4th gear at about 65MPH.
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