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Old 06-17-2015, 05:10 AM   #29
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Pay NTB with CASH. I had my check card info stolen at our local store last month when I purchased new Marathon tires for the Keystone Alpine that I traded in. Thankfully my new Trilogy has 215/75R17.5H Goodyear G114 truck tires on it from the factory. Good choice to get rid of the powerking tires. Pick one up and see how light it is when they are changing them!
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Things I think I have learned....

Air carries the weight.

Tires hold the air.

ST tires have thinner sidewalls and less tread depth than a like sized LT tire.Actually, ST tires haveheavier sidewalls because ST tires are made to withstand the considerable side forces placed on trailer tires.

LT tires are trailer rated.

An ST tire rated for 3500 pounds is much lighter than an LT tire rated for 3500 pounds because the rating for ST tires do not account for driving forces.

If you are gong to run air pressure higher than 80 pounds, you need bolt-on metal valve stems.

The stiffer sidewalls of an LT tire can stress the suspension and frame of your trailer in tight turns.

A tire pressure monitor system is worth the money.

RV trailer builders provide the warranty on just the parts of your trailer that they made. The components (appliances, slides, doors, tires, etc.) are warrantied by the component manufacturer.

If you have a failure, take pictures, write letters, make phone calls. I have found that the Customer Service Departments at Dynamic Tire and Lippert INC are open minded and stand behind their products.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:20 AM   #31
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So the Trailer King tires have flabby sidewalls.. No surprise there.
The Sailun tires are beefy and weigh 61 lbs each. They remind me of the Michellins on Class-As. They may be slightly taller, so if you're close on clearance, it could be an issue.

SimpleTire has corporate deals on installs. In my case, they referenced NTB. Delivering to NTB instead of my home reduced the shipping by 50% and reduced the install costs over walk-in by more than 50%. Print out the estimated install costs when you buy tires.

Paying NTB with cash is a bad call. No consumer recourse. Stolen bank cards happen and consumers are protected. I'd rather deal with the risk of theft than give any shop the ability to keep money without recourse.

Total screw ups by NTB:
1) Tried charging for a "disposal" fee when I told them that I was keeping the tires
2) Tried replacing the new steel valve stems with rubber and charging for that
3) When I arrived to for pick up, I found my old tires in the recycle bin, despite having "keep tires" on the order.
4) Said they were "done". When I asked if they were balanced, they said yes. I asked where the wheel weights were, they said that none of the tires took any weight. I asked if they'd ever seen a set of 4 wheels and tires that took 0 weight. Then I made them balance them. I paid for mount and balance, not just mount.
5) They had one guy putting these things on the balance machine. They were too heavy for him, so he'd lightly clamp them and then drag them to center. I didn't catch it until he was on #4. They told me that they might have come in that way. I said that's pretty unlikely with a brand new 5th wheel and offered to provide a purchase receipt. I made them take a photo and send it to the district manger:





They offered to let me come back after they have the wheels repaired. I declined as I have the RV in storage and having it up on stands isn't something that they encourage... Apparently I'm scaring the other customers who thing my wheels got stolen.. :-) So I re-installed them. Local NTB isn't big enough for a 5th wheel to turn around.
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OMG that's awful. I'd be absolutely ripped. Keep us posted on the end result...
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:28 AM   #33
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ST tires have heavier sidewalls because ST tires are made to withstand the considerable side forces placed on trailer tires.

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LT tires are built stronger than ST tires because they are rated to handler the driving force of a powered vehicle. ST tires actually have wimpy sidewalls to reduce strain (side loads) on the suspension of multi-axle trailers. ST tires may have stronger sidewalls than passenger car tires.
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This is all good information. Our 2016 Heartland 3160EL came factory with Sailun ST235/85R16 with Metal Stems
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+1 for Heartland. What does that rig weigh gross?
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:42 PM   #36
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The 3160EL has a 12,000 LB dry weight, GVWR is 15,500 We just got it home last weekend and have added to it. Once it is all setup, as we plane to travel, we will need to scale it.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:30 PM   #37
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So the Trailer King tires have flabby sidewalls.. No surprise there.
The Sailun tires are beefy and weigh 61 lbs each. They remind me of the Michellins on Class-As. They may be slightly taller, so if you're close on clearance, it could be an issue.

SimpleTire has corporate deals on installs. In my case, they referenced NTB. Delivering to NTB instead of my home reduced the shipping by 50% and reduced the install costs over walk-in by more than 50%. Print out the estimated install costs when you buy tires.

Paying NTB with cash is a bad call. No consumer recourse. Stolen bank cards happen and consumers are protected. I'd rather deal with the risk of theft than give any shop the ability to keep money without recourse.

Total screw ups by NTB:
1) Tried charging for a "disposal" fee when I told them that I was keeping the tires
2) Tried replacing the new steel valve stems with rubber and charging for that
3) When I arrived to for pick up, I found my old tires in the recycle bin, despite having "keep tires" on the order.
4) Said they were "done". When I asked if they were balanced, they said yes. I asked where the wheel weights were, they said that none of the tires took any weight. I asked if they'd ever seen a set of 4 wheels and tires that took 0 weight. Then I made them balance them. I paid for mount and balance, not just mount.
5) They had one guy putting these things on the balance machine. They were too heavy for him, so he'd lightly clamp them and then drag them to center. I didn't catch it until he was on #4. They told me that they might have come in that way. I said that's pretty unlikely with a brand new 5th wheel and offered to provide a purchase receipt. I made them take a photo and send it to the district manger:





They offered to let me come back after they have the wheels repaired. I declined as I have the RV in storage and having it up on stands isn't something that they encourage... Apparently I'm scaring the other customers who thing my wheels got stolen.. :-) So I re-installed them. Local NTB isn't big enough for a 5th wheel to turn around.
Man that is terrible! Are they going to fix it?
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definitely flag that dealer with a poor rating. Can that be repaired?
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LT tires are built stronger than ST tires because they are rated to handler the driving force of a powered vehicle. ST tires actually have wimpy sidewalls to reduce strain (side loads) on the suspension of multi-axle trailers. ST tires may have stronger sidewalls than passenger car tires.
Reread the link to information stating the opposite.
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Man that is terrible! Are they going to fix it?
District manager says they'll pay if I replace the wheels and provide them a receipt...
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lots of good info! I think my try the Sailun st tires.
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Some rambling info about tire weight; It’s very difficult to compare tire (a), (b) and {c}. Here are some stats to ponder.

Tire (a) is a Bridgestone Duravis R500 HD, LT235/85R16E. It’s a polyester cased tire. It has 14/32” tread depth and is 31.7” tall. It provides 3042# of load capacity at 80 psi. It’s weight is 45#.

Tire (b) is a Bridgestone Duravis R250, LT235/85R16E. It’s a steel cased tire. It has 14/32” tread depth and is 31.8” tall. It provides 3042# of load capacity at 80 psi. It’s weight is 59#.

Tire [c] is a Towmax STR, ST235/85R16E. It’s a polyester cased tire for trailer service. It has a 10/32” tread depth and is 31.7” tall. It provides 3640# of load capacity at 80 psi. It's weight is 37#. Another 4/32” of tread depth would probably put it real close to the R500 tire weight.


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