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Old 06-16-2019, 02:06 PM   #1
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Truck Sag Part 2

Ok guy's, I've done alot of research these past few days and it seems to come down to air bags or Tembrens, one personal opinion on you tube video says go with air bags if hauling 10k and above, Tembrens if less than 10k. Anyone with these set ups your opinion is greatly appreciated, thanks.
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There have been reports of Timbrens giving a harsh ride when empty. I always look at Timbrens as overaized bump stops. Air bags when properly installed allow you to inflate to help carry the load, and deflate for a softer empty ride.
Remember, neither will increase your load weight ratings.
Going back and reading your original post I would before you spend a dime get some accurate weights of the truck and trailer loaded ready to travel.
Where is your hitch in relation to the axle?
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There have been reports of Timbrens giving a harsh ride when empty. I always look at Timbrens as overaized bump stops. Air bags when properly installed allow you to inflate to help carry the load, and deflate for a softer empty ride.
Remember, neither will increase your load weight ratings.
Yes I also heard about the harsh ride with Timbrens when unloaded, that makes no sense whatsoever as there is no contact with the axle when there's no weight to engage it.
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Well if I find myself in this situation with our 2016 Ram 3500 DRW I will bag it and have a wireless fill control, I already have on board air.
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OK.......not ALWAYS....but if you are sagging enough to need airbags or some other method to eliminate that much sag, you may be over your payload capacity of the truck. Like I said, not always, but certainly worth making sure that is not the case.
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Timbrens seem to be a cheep and crappy way to level the load. No adjustment.

Airbags with a remote is more expensive but a higher quality addition. The ability to adjust the bags for height is the best feature. I believe the ride is better too although I have never ridden on timberens
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Yes I also heard about the harsh ride with Timbrens when unloaded, that makes no sense whatsoever as there is no contact with the axle when there's no weight to engage it.
Actually if you think about it it does make sense. Since Timbrens replace the factory bump stop with a taller part as the suspension works and the axle moves up it can come in contact with the Timbren rather harshly some times.
Like I have said before I spent a dime on anything I would get some accurate weights. Pictures of the truck both loaded and empty would be helpful.
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There have been reports of Timbrens giving a harsh ride when empty. I always look at Timbrens as overaized bump stops. Air bags when properly installed allow you to inflate to help carry the load, and deflate for a softer empty ride.
Remember, neither will increase your load weight ratings.
Going back and reading your original post I would before you spend a dime get some accurate weights of the truck and trailer loaded ready to travel.
Where is your hitch in relation to the axle?
Hitch is rite on top of axle, truck came stocked prepped for fifth hitch
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Had Timbrens on my last 2 trucks and have had no problems with them and they work like they are supposed to!!!!!!!!!
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Love my air lift kit with wireless remote. Second set I have had, love the versatility. I can ride level with any load, adjust to slow down bounce on highways or bridges with galloping issues. Also when I back up to the fiver hitch and I’m an inch too high or low I can air up or down to slide in perfect without leaving the drivers seat.

Local to me the wireless pump kit is about $1200 installed.
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Have air bags on my old 2007 Dodge 2500 diesel, they are manual fill (only draw back) but are fully adjustable and make highway travel on today's roads at least bearable.
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Actually if you think about it it does make sense. Since Timbrens replace the factory bump stop with a taller part as the suspension works and the axle moves up it can come in contact with the Timbren rather harshly some times.
Like I have said before I spent a dime on anything I would get some accurate weights. Pictures of the truck both loaded and empty would be helpful.
Yep, I get it, I'm jumping to conclusions in a all out effort in deciding which way is best, thanks for your cooler mind!
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Interesting discussion with this and your first post. I'm curious how all the posters position their hitches one inch forward of their rear axle. When I installed my hitch rails with model specific brackets, they were to be installed in one position, period. Factory puck systems don't have fore/aft adjustments. I have a nice hitch that has no front/rear adjustability, nor do most hitches on the market. Can we assume correct pin to axle placement is designed in by the hitch manufacturers? Does someone manufacture an adjustment device that fits between a hitch and the truck so a person could impact the hitch to axle relationship?
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Interesting discussion with this and your first post. I'm curious how all the posters position their hitches one inch forward of their rear axle. When I installed my hitch rails with model specific brackets, they were to be installed in one position, period. Factory puck systems don't have fore/aft adjustments. I have a nice hitch that has no front/rear adjustability, nor do most hitches on the market. Can we assume correct pin to axle placement is designed in by the hitch manufacturers? Does someone manufacture an adjustment device that fits between a hitch and the truck so a person could impact the hitch to axle relationship?
The B&W fifth wheel hitches have many different settings--front and back, up and down--so you can set them up exactly as needed.

I set mine to have the kingpin 1' in front of the center of the axle. And I set it up mid point in height to where it sits perfectly. B&W are very high quality hitches.
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