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Old 11-15-2012, 12:48 AM   #1
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Question What size truck can pull this 5th wheel Camper?

Will I need a 3/4 or one ton truck to pull this 13,000 pounds Camper?

It's a Arctic Fox 32-5S

Arctic Fox Fifth Wheel Trailers
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The pin weight on my rig was advertised at 1925# with a GVWR of 14000#. Actual weight when loaded was 2360# for the pin and 14025# for the rig. I started with a 3/4 ton 4x4 cc short box and now have a 1 ton dually cc with a long box.

By the specs, a 3/4 ton will work.
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FORD puts out great documentation on the trailer capacities on the different models, I would think like documentation exists for other trucks.

My rig is simular in weight to yours, and I pull mine with a 2005 Ford F250 Diesel. If you watch your weight, you could pull yours almost loaded with a gas 3/4 ton pick up, but I wouldn't trade my diesel for anything reguardless of how much my oil changes cost me!
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Please don't overlook the tools that have been provided in the Towing and Tow Vehicles forum immediately below this one. There's a sticky thread at the top of the forum that provides access to a number of calculators that one can use to determine the match of a tow vehicle and towable RV.

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Old 11-15-2012, 02:21 PM   #5
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Please don't overlook the tools that have been provided in the Towing and Tow Vehicles forum immediately below this one. There's a sticky thread at the top of the forum that provides access to a number of calculators that one can use to determine the match of a tow vehicle and towable RV.

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Here's a link to the thread/calculators that Rusty very sensibly recommends:
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:53 PM   #6
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AH HELL - who NEEDS manufacturer's weight/towing guides - if my Crosley 4-banger pickup can pull that rig outta it's tracks, that's all I really need...

Ranks right up there with "HERE, hold my beer, and watch THIS" for entertainment value...

Make a good video for those TV shows, too...
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Is that 13K dry weight or the GVWR of the trailer. I pull my 12k GVWR 29-5T with a 1 ton SRW and my pin weight is 2280Lbs. My trucks GVWR is 11,500lbs, and can tow a 17,000lb 5er according to GM specs. Some of the older trucks have lower towing capacity and lower payload. I would recommend a 1 ton something, and check the trucks GVWR, Rear axle capacity and towing capability.
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Using the numbers from the Arctic Fox website:
Dry weight=7,980# Dry pin weight=1,800#. This calculated out to 22% pin weight.
Now, 22% of the 13,000# GVW = 2,860# If you put a washer/dryer in the bedroom, add another 200#.
Add up the in-bed hitch weight, items you will haul in the bed to go camping, passengers, etc.
This will be very close to the maximum RAWR - if not over.
At best it will not be a pleasant towing experience unless you plan to only tow on level ground. Please use the online calculators Rusty recommended to accurately and properly match a tow vehicle to your proposed trailer.
Been there-done that. I was amazed at how much easier a Dually towed our new 5er over my old Dodge CTD 3/4T; which towed our old 10,000# GVW 5er very well.
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Working more on the feel than the numbers....
I had a F350 V-10 SRW SB with a trailer that grosses at 14K.
It feels much better pulling with a F350 Diesel LB DRW.
By the numbers I could tow the unit, but it was not a non-tense ride.
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Using the numbers from the Arctic Fox website:
Dry weight=7,980# Dry pin weight=1,800#. This calculated out to 22% pin weight.
Now, 22% of the 13,000# GVW = 2,860# If you put a washer/dryer in the bedroom, add another 200#.
Add up the in-bed hitch weight, items you will haul in the bed to go camping, passengers, etc.
This will be very close to the maximum RAWR - if not over.
At best it will not be a pleasant towing experience unless you plan to only tow on level ground. Please use the online calculators Rusty recommended to accurately and properly match a tow vehicle to your proposed trailer.
Been there-done that. I was amazed at how much easier a Dually towed our new 5er over my old Dodge CTD 3/4T; which towed our old 10,000# GVW 5er very well.
But GEEZE, now you're trying to insert common sense reasoning and logic into the discussion - SHAME on you!
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New truck or a old one ?? Makes a difference.

The newer gen F250 or the F350 SRW will handle the trailer just fine.

With a 13k gvwr and a 3220 lb CCC and a dry weight less than 10k the trailer may weigh around 12k. That puts the pin weight around 2400 -2500 lbs at the most. Thats well within the axle/tire load capacities of the F250.

Fords fleet service specs sheets shows the F250 has payload rating from 2300 lbs for the very heavy 4x4 172" wheel base crew cab diesel up to 3450 lbs for a reg cab 2wd.

The F350 SRW shows payloads from 3790 lbs up to 4440 lbs . All weights depending on the trucks configuration.

A F350 DRW isn't necessary for a trailer that size. But if you want one go for it.
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The link you gave isn't for the 2013 Arctic Fox Line. In 2013 Northwood decided to add a bunch of weight to their Fifth Wheels. They don't list a 32-5S instead they have a 32-5M with a dry weight of 9880#, dry pin weight of 2600, gvwr 16600#. I just purchased a 2013 27-5L and it will be pushing my F350 Diesel to it's limit. It's an 02 though and the newer F350 can cary a little more weight.
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Is that 13K dry weight or the GVWR of the trailer. I pull my 12k GVWR 29-5T with a 1 ton SRW and my pin weight is 2280Lbs. My trucks GVWR is 11,500lbs, and can tow a 17,000lb 5er according to GM specs. Some of the older trucks have lower towing capacity and lower payload. I would recommend a 1 ton something, and check the trucks GVWR, Rear axle capacity and towing capability.
It's Gross Vehicle weight is 13,000
It's Gross Dry Weight 9780
Dry Hitch weight is 1800
Lenght is 32.3
Dry axle weight is 7980
Net Carrying Capacity is 3220

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Wildbob,
Traildust is correct. The info on the link you provided is not for a 2013. The weights and dimensions for the 2013's have been increased significantly. Look at the Northwood site for current weights and measures. If for a older unit I still would recommend a 1 ton SRW. If for a new 2013 then a 1 ton dually.
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