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Old 02-23-2019, 03:01 PM   #1
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Hi everyone we are brand new to the forum and already have questions. Darn newbies LOL. The wife and I are thinking about upgrading from our 2015 Laredo 294RK to a fifth wheel. We have a 2018 Silverado 2500HD LTZ crew cab standard bed (6.5') 6.6 duramax with an allison 6 speed transmission 4 wheel drive. Not sure if we will take the full time plunge yet, depending on what the crazy Illinois politicians do. But we want to travel around the US and Canada and see as much as we can.

So my question is, we would like to have feedback on these two rigs.

2019 Keystone Montana High Country 330RL/331RL and the 2019 Mesa Ridge 373RBS.

I know there are good posts and bad posts about each manufacturer, I have been reading them for days and days. I or should I say we want to hear from people here in this forum. We are not in a hurry to purchase one just looking into the possibility of purchasing in the not too distance future.
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What is your truck's payload capacity from the yellow sticker on the door frame? Those are some heavy pin weights, and a diesel 3/4 ton LTZ is already a pretty heavy truck.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:47 PM   #3
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You'll be over your payload for the truck before you put anything in the 5er. You'll need a slider for the 6.5 bed probably. Thats 250 lbs. Dry pin on the 331 is 2255 lbs. Dry weights are usually low so take the 2255 for what it is.
My guess is all loaded up the pin will be near 3,000 lbs so you'll be pushing the RAWR as well.
JMO but an SRW 3500 is whats needed.
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Ok I checked the sticker it is 2168 pounds. I also found in my manual the max pin weight was listed at 3000 pounds. The max dry trailer weight is 13500 pounds. So now I am totally confused. Never having a fifth wheel is a totally new world for me. Had no problem understanding weights when I had my pop up, HILO and my travel trailer.
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there is definitely more to consider regarding a fifth wheel due to the high percentage of trailer weight on the pin plus possible bed interference. You're going to get a lot of advice so I'll just welcome you to the forum.
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Need to look at a 5th wheel with a MAX GVWR of 14,000#
That will put you close to your Trucks RAWR and under the Rear Tire Max Load Ratings


With a 5th wheel the trucks rear axle has to carry the wet pin weight of the 5th wheel
14K 5th wheel will have a wet pin weight ~3000#


Either of the Keystone Montana Models would work....14K +

The Mesa Ridge is 16K GVWR...too heavy for your truck
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:41 PM   #7
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thanks

Thank you everyone for your input. It is appreciated.
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Every one of our friends with a short bed had bumped the 5th wheel into the cab... even with a sliding hitch... one of my coffee guys did it 3 times before he learned.... just what I've seen...
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The hitch in my signature weighs 200 lbs....it's an auto slider....
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Hi everyone we are brand new to the forum and already have questions. Darn newbies LOL. The wife and I are thinking about upgrading from our 2015 Laredo 294RK to a fifth wheel. We have a 2018 Silverado 2500HD LTZ crew cab standard bed (6.5') 6.6 duramax with an allison 6 speed transmission 4 wheel drive. Not sure if we will take the full time plunge yet, depending on what the crazy Illinois politicians do. But we want to travel around the US and Canada and see as much as we can.

So my question is, we would like to have feedback on these two rigs.

2019 Keystone Montana High Country 330RL/331RL and the 2019 Mesa Ridge 373RBS.

I know there are good posts and bad posts about each manufacturer, I have been reading them for days and days. I or should I say we want to hear from people here in this forum. We are not in a hurry to purchase one just looking into the possibility of purchasing in the not too distance future.



I have a similar truck, mine is 2018 GMC Denali with the duramax. The max 5er mine can pull is 13500. Max pin is 3000 and rawr is 6500. GCWR is the same as 3500 at 25300. I have added firestone bags and like them so far. I have loaded the truck with rocks and raised the pressure in those bags it kept the truck level. When empty keep the pressure low and it smooths out the ride. We have found one close to those numbers, but havent bought yet.
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Ok I checked the sticker it is 2168 pounds. I also found in my manual the max pin weight was listed at 3000 pounds. The max dry trailer weight is 13500 pounds. So now I am totally confused. Never having a fifth wheel is a totally new world for me. Had no problem understanding weights when I had my pop up, HILO and my travel trailer.

Well the MAX pin weight might work for a stripper 6.0 gas engine. It isn't for your D-Max, the 2,168 payload is every thing that your truck can carry, passengers, hitch, any added equipment and the pin weight of the 5er.
Now you can go by what Old Biscuit stated and run close to your rear axle rating, but do you really want to be that close to your MAX axle/tire rating from day one?? In addition that might only work for the two Montana's, but you will be over your trucks GVWR.


The Mesa Ridge has a 16,470# GVWR and is in one ton DRW area.
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We will probably look for an older Montana High Country like a 343RL. Thanks for the responses. It gives us a lot to think about.
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A 3/4 ton truck is great for pulling travel trailers but not so great for 5th wheels. It simply can not carry the weight of even a mid sized 5th wheel.

Now, have you looked at the some of the 3 slide travel trailers? They feel like a 5th wheel when inside. A travel trailer will put approx 1,300lbs on the truck with hitch vs 3,000lbs of a mid sized 5th wheel.

The newest trucks are more capable then even trucks of a few years ago. My 2017 F-250 gasser has a cargo capacity of 3,496lbs. A 2018 Ram 2500 gasser that I looked at had a cargo capacity of 3,300lbs.

All the LDT's (light duty trucks) are being redesigned for model year 2020 which means they will be available sometime this year. I think the 2020 Chevy"s will be available in July then Ram and Ford by the end of the year. I expect all new high strength steel frames and each nut and bolt to be 1/4 turn tighter than the current rock solid trucks.

Chevy will have a new 6.6 lite gas engine and Ford will have a new 7.3 litre gas engine. As each iteration of truck improves the capability increases. I expect 10 speed transmissions in Chevy and Ford. The new diesel engines from Ram is at 1,000 ft/lbs. of torque as an optional engine. Chevy will stick to their revamped diesel engine from 2018 or 2019 (I forget which year) and Ford is expected to be close to the Rams 1,000 ft/lbs. of torque.

I had a 2012 Ford F-450 for 6.5 years with 800 ft/lbs. of torque and thought that was a powerful engine.
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