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Old 09-09-2019, 07:31 AM   #57
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Your pin weight is going to be a minimum of 20% which is 3300#! Iíd look for a truck with at least 4K payload to have some safety room and make it a dually! Iím driving a 2015 F350 DRW, 5860 payload, towing an 18k Landmark 5W. Bought it with 38k and now at 96k! Exhaust filter just went South. New one is $3600 plus installation but other than that itís a great truck. Towing full time wears stuff out quicker but weíre loving it!
Good grief, wow that stings and its not even me paying the bill. Id see about deleting that garbage for about half the price. You dont need to run a hot tune to run deleted.
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Old 09-09-2019, 08:13 AM   #58
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I had a 2014 Montana Big Sky 39ft 6 inches long and towed with a 2014 F350 DRW and I liked it. I was always sure footed not bothered by wind and had no issues keeping up speed on hills. I like DRW for the reason double rear tire foot print must be more stable than SRW in regards to sway and I did not notice any.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:20 PM   #59
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those F350 numbers are just paper and glam. they dont do that with the MDT crowd as there to wise for it. my thread on the macho 350/3500 answered that idea
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:52 PM   #60
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What dont you understand? You seem to think your smarter than me so whats hard to understand? If you read all the words in my post you wouldve also understand that i only think theres a possibility that could be true. I never said it was for sure 100% true. Youre on a forum. There are words here, it isnt youtube. Youre going to have to learn to read a little better.
I am smarter. You posted something you have no idea if it is correct. It isnít so donít waste our time with theories. I asked for your source and you donít have one. That says it all.
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Old 09-09-2019, 02:35 PM   #61
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I am smarter. You posted something you have no idea if it is correct. It isnít so donít waste our time with theories. I asked for your source and you donít have one. That says it all.
It is true. Youre so smart, figure it out. Or you could read a little bit above and the answer is there also.
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Old 09-09-2019, 02:36 PM   #62
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This is the truck you want

An MTVR 6X6 7-ton truck. It has a Caterpillar C-12 11.9-liter turbocharged diesel developing 425 hp and 1550 ft-lbs. The C-12 is mated to an Allison HD 4070P 7 speed automatic. It has a full-time all-wheel drive with traction control, an independent suspension, a central tire inflation system and it can ford 4.9 feet of water. Payload capacity is 30,000 lbs and it can tow 22,000 lbs at the same time. Top speed is 65 MPH.

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An MTVR 6X6 7-ton truck. It has a Caterpillar C-12 11.9-liter turbocharged diesel developing 425 hp and 1550 ft-lbs. The C-12 is mated to an Allison HD 4070P 7 speed automatic. It has a full-time all-wheel drive with traction control, an independent suspension, a central tire inflation system and it can ford 4.9 feet of water. Payload capacity is 30,000 lbs and it can tow 22,000 lbs at the same time. Top speed is 65 MPH.

I wonder if thats available as a crew cab.
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I wonder if thats available as a crew cab.
Yes and I want to see it pull Jshopes81's 5W through 4.9 ft of water.
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:26 PM   #65
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Yes and I want to see it pull Jshopes81's 5W through 4.9 ft of water.
There is some irony there. I would 100% use that to pull anything, and we havent moved from a bumper pull because it seems most used toy haulers have been pulled through 4.9 feet of water here in the northeast. I cant bring myself to drop 40k on something with soft spots in the floors. The only one i saw that the floor looked good, it was the back corner of the roof was rotted.
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Yes and I want to see it pull Jshopes81's 5W through 4.9 ft of water.
He could put the trailer in the back of the truck and have 15,000 lbs payload to spare.
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That is correct, but the payload is potentially the issue, respectfully, not what it can "pull".
I'm not sure I see what your point is. I am pulling my fifth wheel not loading it in the truck. I consider tongue weight and rated weight for the trailer. The load weight of my truck and the weight transferred downward into the bed from the fifth wheel is well with in specs. For that same reason, I do not see the need for a F350, since it has the same diesel motor and rides much less comfortably. This is just my observations. One could always buy a freightliner or a Peterbilt. I prefer less truck.
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The 2017 and newer F-450 may not quite have the cargo capacity of a F-350 but it has 19.5" tires, larger brakes, tighter turning radius, and more towing capability with 4:30 gears.

If I were going to buy a F-450 I would wait for the 2020's as the 10 speed transmission would make it a better solo driver. My 2012 F-450 6 speed was not a good highway solo driver as it did not like going 75mph.
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I'm not sure I see what your point is. I am pulling my fifth wheel not loading it in the truck. I consider tongue weight and rated weight for the trailer. The load weight of my truck and the weight transferred downward into the bed from the fifth wheel is well with in specs. For that same reason, I do not see the need for a F350, since it has the same diesel motor and rides much less comfortably. This is just my observations. One could always buy a freightliner or a Peterbilt. I prefer less truck.
Might not be an issue with your trailer, but if you consider the "tongue" (pin) weight of a fifth wheel on a 2500 or even 3500 SRW truck, many of them are overloaded.

For example, my fifth wheel has a loaded pin weight of over 3200lbs. Does your F250 have a payload of 3200lbs? It would most likely overload it by itself. I carry 60 gallons of aux fuel and about 200lbs of tools, as well as myself, my wife, three dogs and convenience items for us all in the cab. It's not rare to have some firewood or cargo in the truck bed.

What you can haul becomes very important when you are trying to pull a fifth, as the numbers are linked. You need to be able to haul 20-25% of the trailer weight, as the pin for most fifth wheels is 20-25% of the trailer weight.

I would venture to say that 80% of 3/4T trucks I see at parks pulling fivers are over at least one limit. I towed this trailer with a 2015 Chevrolet 2500HD for three years before deciding to upgrade to a DRW. I was running 2K over GVWR and well more than 1K over RAWR (had extensive supporting mods, but those don't legally change anything). As much as I loved my old truck, moving to a DRW is one of the best decisions I've made in a long time. I tried to talk myself out of it for many years, and should have done it much sooner.
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An MTVR 6X6 7-ton truck. It has a Caterpillar C-12 11.9-liter turbocharged diesel developing 425 hp and 1550 ft-lbs. The C-12 is mated to an Allison HD 4070P 7 speed automatic. It has a full-time all-wheel drive with traction control, an independent suspension, a central tire inflation system and it can ford 4.9 feet of water. Payload capacity is 30,000 lbs and it can tow 22,000 lbs at the same time. Top speed is 65 MPH.

Still not big enough. Got to have that margin of error. After all you do not want to load your truck over 20% capacity or people will die.
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