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Old 09-11-2016, 05:33 AM   #43
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Thanks for the quote and then the comment, but I need to buy a vowel because I don't have a clue.
While backing the truck and trailer were at an 89 degree angle. The side edge of the Montana contacted the passenger rear corner blowing out window and denting cab. Truck had 2000 miles! 69670 Msrp....
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If you have a wide body 5th wheel you can have problems even with a long bed so the bottom line is that you have to be careful whenever you're getting close to a 90 degree turn.

Who has offset balls that fit the factory prep kit for both Ram and Ford? Haven't picked the truck yet but I'm getting all of my information together to make that final decision.

Sure would be nice if the 5th wheel manufactures would supply a diagram showing the actual clearance curve for their rigs as they spin around the kingpin. So much easier for them to do it from their CAD drawings than for us to figure it out by measuring it.
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Go to their website and watch their video showing a 5 foot short bed ... I was guaranteed they would not hit. They did hit... Causing damage to my new truck. So, I was told by ANDESEN AND the dealer that they would not hit! So, explain to me how it's NOT THEIR FAULT!
Trust but verify ...
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When I towed our DRV (wide body) and our Teton (wide body) never a clearance problem with LB dually. Both of these capers were flat front cap also. Don't recall of ever reading a clearance issue with LB truck unless hitch is in non standard position.
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While backing the truck and trailer were at an 89 degree angle. The side edge of the Montana contacted the passenger rear corner blowing out window and denting cab. Truck had 2000 miles! 69670 Msrp....
I had a short bed ford F-250 ( 6'9") and was pulling a High Country Montana (2016) and had some concerns about it and it wasn't to hard to measure from the center of the axle to the back of the cab to find out I was going to be ok but I still was really careful when I did hook up just to make sure. Can't even imagine having a 5' bed and not doing some serious checking before taking out a $70,000 cab and window. That was a bummer for sure.
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For grins and giggles here are the basic 2016 Ram and 2017 Ford dimensions for WB=Wheel Base, CA= Cab to center of rear axel and BBC=Bumper to Back of Cab. You'll have to find the ball to center of rear axel as it's not listed anywhere I can find. BBC+CA is good to help figure your overall length once your attach your 5th wheel.

Ford CCLB: WB=176", CA=56.1", BBC=158.1"
Ford CCSB: WB=159.8, CA= 39.9", BBC=158.1"

RAM CCLB: WB=169.5", CA=56.8", BBC=152"
RAM CCSB: WB=149.5", CA=36.8", BBC=152"
RAM MCSB: WB=160.5", CA=36.9", BBC=163.1"

Ford does make short bed towing easer with that 3 extra inches on the CA.
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For grins and giggles here are the basic 2016 Ram and 2017 Ford dimensions for WB=Wheel Base, CA= Cab to center of rear axel and BBC=Bumper to Back of Cab. You'll have to find the ball to center of rear axel as it's not listed anywhere I can find. BBC+CA is good to help figure your overall length once your attach your 5th wheel.

Ford CCLB: WB=176", CA=56.1", BBC=158.1"
Ford CCSB: WB=159.8, CA= 39.9", BBC=158.1"

RAM CCLB: WB=169.5", CA=56.8", BBC=152"
RAM CCSB: WB=149.5", CA=36.8", BBC=152"
RAM MCSB: WB=160.5", CA=36.9", BBC=163.1"

Ford does make short bed towing easer with that 3 extra inches on the CA.

A friend of mine came by Friday with his new 17 F350 CCSB SRW truck. It had a nice amount of room in the back seat. Much more than prior models. Not sure it's as big as Ram's mega but might be worth a look...
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While backing the truck and trailer were at an 89 degree angle. The side edge of the Montana contacted the passenger rear corner blowing out window and denting cab. Truck had 2000 miles! 69670 Msrp....

This is why I found a gravel lot and SLOWLY maneuvered my rig to learn it's limits. The damage you describe will be reality for every truck/towed trailer at differing degree of jackknife. You found your limit the hard way. Was there possibility of a correcting maneuver on your part prior to impact or were you left with no choice than to damage your rig?
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A friend of mine came by Friday with his new 17 F350 CCSB SRW truck. It had a nice amount of room in the back seat. Much more than prior models. Not sure it's as big as Ram's mega but might be worth a look...
That's what I was reading but how did he get one of them???? I though they weren't shipping yet.

I have mixed feelings about the Fords. I really like the Cummins engine and I like the smoother body contours. On the Ford I like the larger mirrors, 360 degree cameras, adaptive cruse control and a few other things. The one thing I don't like on the Ford is the bigger price tag:face palm:
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That's what I was reading but how did he get one of them???? I though they weren't shipping yet.

I have mixed feelings about the Fords. I really like the Cummins engine and I like the smoother body contours. On the Ford I like the larger mirrors, 360 degree cameras, adaptive cruse control and a few other things. The one thing I don't like on the Ford is the bigger price tag:face palm:
He placed his order the first day they accepted them.

One thing I noticed was that it is really tall! Next chance I get I'll take a tape measure to see how the bed height compares to my Dually. Any taller than I am puts me over the max legal height on my Cedar Creek. I am at 13'6" now.

For several reasons I bought Ram, price being one. For example, the 16 Dually I bought last month listed at 71.1k. I bought it for 58.5k. I think it was the deepest discount I ever negotiated... I have no clue what Ford dealers can do for price as I didn't even care to look.

Sorry to the OP... This post has drifted away from Andersen!
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That's what I was reading but how did he get one of them???? I though they weren't shipping yet.

I have mixed feelings about the Fords. I really like the Cummins engine and I like the smoother body contours. On the Ford I like the larger mirrors, 360 degree cameras, adaptive cruse control and a few other things. The one thing I don't like on the Ford is the bigger price tag:face palm:
Maybe not at first release, but I got $8K off my 2015 MSRP without an argument, just told them it was what I needed to do the deal. I've seen folks get up to $11K off the higher end models.
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Maybe not at first release, but I got $8K off my 2015 MSRP without an argument, just told them it was what I needed to do the deal. I've seen folks get up to $11K off the higher end models.
Trucks are getting like TT - 20% off MSRP is in the ball park.
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This is why I found a gravel lot and SLOWLY maneuvered my rig to learn it's limits. The damage you describe will be reality for every truck/towed trailer at differing degree of jackknife. You found your limit the hard way. Was there possibility of a correcting maneuver on your part prior to impact or were you left with no choice than to damage your rig?
The Andersen kingpin adapter can be mounted such that the truck cab clearance is either 8" less or 8" more. First thing I did was go to a big parking lot, install the adapter so it was the 8" more clearance (this is the std way) and then do a slow 90deg. jack. The clearance was ok but I could see that if I every tried backing that sharp into an grossly unlevel camp spot, I might be in trouble. So I ordered the Curt 4" Offset ball for that extra 4" of clearance. 12,000 miles and about 25 different camp grounds, we are good to go. The worst backin was in Tucson at a snowbird resort where I had to do a full 90deg over a curb into my paved spot squeezed between 2 huge motorhomes (yes it took awile and was quite comical to watch .
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There page says it can be used in a short bed. To me it just looks like a really elegant product.
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It can be used in a short bed truck as we are using it and our rig doesn't even come close to the cab. We have ours in a Ram with the puck system with the Reese rail system under the Anderson...works great!
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