Will it tow it?

[rtbroke]

Went looking at new travel trailers. After looking at several travel trailers the salesman said, ever think about a 5th wheel. He showed us a Keystone Cougar 25RES. My question is will my truck tow it? Trailer weight is 7420. Truck is F150 4x4 supercab with 3.5L ecoboost 3.55 rr axle.

[BuzzWolfAR]

In a word, No. You would be adding 2,500 pounds over your rear axle. You don't have the capacity on your truck to handle that weight.

[KHBama]

Originally Posted by rtbroke

Went looking at new travel trailers. After looking at several travel trailers the salesman said, ever think about a 5th wheel. He showed us a Keystone Cougar 25RES. My question is will my truck tow it? Trailer weight is 7420. Truck is F150 4x4 supercab with 3.5L ecoboost 3.55 rr axle.

I have a 7900lb dry weight 5th wheel, towing with a Ram 2500. I’m over payload but well under axle ratings and combined weight. I know Ford has a higher payload these days but I wouldn’t want to tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 Ton truck. Good luck with whatever choice you make

[P5W]

Originally Posted by rtbroke

Went looking at new travel trailers. After looking at several travel trailers the salesman said, ever think about a 5th wheel. He showed us a Keystone Cougar 25RES. My question is will my truck tow it? Trailer weight is 7420. Truck is F150 4x4 supercab with 3.5L ecoboost 3.55 rr axle.

I suspect no but two missing pieces of information.

1) What is the payload rating for your truck. You can find that number on the yellow door tag in the drivers side door.

2) What is the GROSS weight of the trailer? You always want to use the gross number when calculating. You can assume at least 20% of the trailers weight to find your potential pin weight. Example: If the gross trailer weight is 9,000 lbs, your pin weight is likely 1,800 lbs.

Add that weight to the weight of any passengers, hitch, tools, wood, etc. and that all has to be UNDER the payload weight on the yellow door tag.

Good luck with your decision.

[SmokeyWren]

Originally Posted by rtbroke

. Looked at a Keystone Cougar 25RES. Trailer weight is 7420. Truck is 2015 F150 4x4 Supercab 3.5L ecoboost with 3.55 rr axle. Will it tow it safely?

Safely? No. Not if the definition of "safely" includes not exceeding any of Ford's weight limits. Only if your F-150 came from the factory with the heavy duty payload package (HDPP) would you have a prayer of towing that trailer without being overloaded. But Ford didn't produce any 2015 F-150s with HDPP, so I'm pretty sure you don't have it.

But if you leave out that word "safely" then your drivetrain can PULL that trailer without breaking a sweat. You'll exceed the payload capacity and probably the rGAWR of your F-150, but the 3.5L EcoBoost engine will have no problem pulling that weight.

And 7420 dry trailer weight = about 8,500 to 9,000 wet and loaded trailer weight.

If you manage to keep the gross trailer weight down to 8,500 pounds with the weight evenly distributed in the trailer, that's 1105 tongue weight plus another 100 pounds for a good WD hitch, or 1205 hitch weight for a TT. Or that's 1700 pin weight plus another 200 pounds for a good 5er hitch = 1,900 pounds hitch weight for a 5er.

Does your F-150 have enough available payload capacity to add 1205 pounds hitch weight for a big TT? Probably not. Does it have enough payload capacity to add 1,900 pounds hitch weight of a 5er? No, it doesn't.

Before you go shopping for an RV trailer again, load the F-150 with everybody and everything that will be in it when towing. People, pets, toolbox, campfire wood, charcoal grill and charcoal, jack and jack stands and jack base for changing a trailer tire in a soggy barrow ditch - everything. Drive to a truck stop that has a truck scale, fill up with gas, then weigh the wet and loaded F-150.

Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded F-150 from the GVWR of the F-150. The answer is the payload capacity available for hitch weight. Subtract 100 pounds from the payload capacity available for hitch weight and the answer is the payload capacity available for tongue weight. Divide the payload capacity available for tongue weight by 0.13 (13%) and the answer is the maximum weight of any properly loaded TT you can tow without exceeding the payload capacity of your F-150.

[foneguy493]

yea i wouldnt do a fifth wheel with half ton no matter the motor.

[JIMNLIN]

The truck has the power but does it have enough RAWR to carry all that weight in the bed.

Trailer 7420 lbs doesn't tell us if this is a dry weight or the trailers GVWR. We need the trailer GVWR.

F150 3.5 EB 3.55 axle 4wd doesn't tell us what the trucks GVWR or its RAWR or the year model. F150 aren't all the same.
Both are needed to make a educated estimation.

[NLOVNIT]

Although the 25RES is classified as an XLite, by Cougar, the GVWR is 10K & the pin wt is 1400 lbs. That's very similar to our prior owned 286EFS. We pulled it with a 3/4t Silverado 2500HD. They were a perfectly matched pair. Sad thing, when we traded it in, the very next week we saw it in the dealer's lot in the delivery slot hooked up to an F150 as the new owners were waiting to take it home. Lesson is, a salesman will tell you anything to make a sale, You need to be an informed consumer & know your truck's limits.

As other's stated, you won't be able to safely tow that 5-r. Look for something smaller/less weight or get a bigger truck.

Lori-

[TonyMac]

What you have is a salesman who could care less about the safety of you and your family as long as he gets the biggest commission outta your estate. Stick within the guidelines of your truck manufacturer and remember, if you don't eat Thanksgiving Dinner accross the table from your salesman, don't believe a word he says. Power and weight capacity are only 1/2 of the problem. Cooling capacity, especially tranny cooling capacity, is a big reason to stay within the weight ratings. And then comes brakes. Higher capacity trucks have brakes that can develop and disapate higher energy levels. Once your brakes over heat, you have no brakes.

[JIMNLIN]

Depends on your F150 GVWR/RAWR.
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[rtbroke]

trailer dry weight =7035
GVWR = 10,000
Hitch weight =1405

Thanks for all the feedback. Salespeople do make it sound to good to be true.

[KHBama]

Originally Posted by rtbroke

trailer dry weight =7035
GVWR = 10,000
Hitch weight =1405

Thanks for all the feedback. Salespeople do make it sound to good to be true.

My hitch weight was advertised as 1465. Right at 1950lbs now and that’s not including any water, and the trailer is not heavily loaded

[keymastr]

A 10,000 pound gross weight trailer will have a pin weight over 2000 pounds. That would be a decent load for most 3/4 ton trucks, especially after you figure 2 or 300 pounds for a hitch plus passengers and gear.

A 10,000 pound travel trailer will have a tongue weight of 1300 pounds plus 100 for a WD hitch. Still too much for a half ton but closer to achievable.

[Cumminsfan]

Originally Posted by keymastr

A 10,000 pound gross weight trailer will have a pin weight over 2000 pounds. That would be a decent load for most 3/4 ton trucks, especially after you figure 2 or 300 pounds for a hitch plus passengers and gear.

A 10,000 pound travel trailer will have a tongue weight of 1300 pounds plus 100 for a WD hitch. Still too much for a half ton but closer to achievable.

How do you figure he'll load 3000 lbs in that 5th wheel? At most he'll have 8500 lbs for loaded weight. Thats a 1700 lb pin.
I don't get why some people want to always use the trailers GVWR to figure pin weight.
Dry weight plus gear is what really happens. CCC's are all over the place. My 5th wheel has 4315 lbs for CCC. I have it loaded with everything I need and only added 1500 lbs.
As for the OP, you'll more than likely be at or over the trucks payload rating.
Look at your door sticker to see what the maximum cargo rating is.