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01-08-2017, 09:36 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Northeastern Colorado
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Originally Posted by Kevin12
Yikes, that's a lot to digest for a first timer. I've been shopping and researching for a couple of years now, and we're finally ready to purchase as we move into this spring.
With two kids, bunks are a must for us. The 2800BH is on the lighter side for bunk models we've checked. I see what you're saying, however, about the load adding up quickly to stress the payload and hitch weight.
My particular F150 is configured for a max tow rating of 11,500, a GVWR of 7000, and my payload is 2150. If I estimate a max of 700 lbs of passenger weight, add another 200 lbs of "stuff" in the truck, and about 200 lbs for a full tank of gas, that would put me at about 1,100 lbs in the truck. The advertised hitch weight of the trailer is 575 and if I add 100 for a sway control, that puts me at a grand total of 1775 lbs.
This is all new to me, so could you help me to know if I am missing something in my calculations, or if I would still be about 15% under my payload capacity?
One more note: We're not the roughing it type, so I think 95% of our camping will be with full hook-up.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Kevin, good that you are researching before buying. I think that both you and your F-150 will be happiest by going as lightly loaded as possible. That means looking at some of the lightweight trailers that are available. You don't have to give up that much to get something like a JayCo Jay Feather or Jay Flight.
The 26BH Jay Flight has a queen bed, generous bunk beds, 29 feet long and tips the scales at just 7000 fully loaded to its max rating.
If a slide is desired for a bit more space, the Jay Feather 25BH has a very similar sleeping arrangement, but with a dinette and sofa slide to give some extra space for the kitchen. It comes in at 30 feet, but just 6750 max weight.
I have the Jay Feather X213 with a king bed slide in the rear and bunk beds up front, and it is only 24 feet long with 5500 max weight. I tow with a 2016 F-150 similar to yours.
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2017 Jay Feather X213 - 4215 dry, 5500 max 24' bumper to ball
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01-08-2017, 01:23 PM
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#16
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: HillBilly country, Smokey Mtns
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Originally Posted by Kevin12
Yikes, that's a lot to digest for a first timer.
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Come on, now. It's simple 6th-grade arithmetic. The botton line is
" Divide the payload capacity available for tongue weight by 0.13 (13%) and the answer is the heaviest travel trailer you can tow without exceeding the GVWR and payload capacity of your F-150."
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With two kids, bunks are a must for us. The 2800BH is on the lighter side for bunk models we've checked.
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You are biased towards a full-blown travel trailer towed by your current tow vehicle. But you can "get by" with a pop-up camping trailer with GVWR less than 4,000 pounds and with wet and loaded tongue weight of about 500 pounds. Or if you really can't live without that bunkhouse TT, then trade for more tow vehicle.
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The advertised hitch weight of the trailer is 575 ...
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That's a misleading spec. For one thing, if you weigh the tongue on that trailer before you add anything other than RV battery and propane, you'll see that the tongue weight of the unloaded trailer will be a lot more than 575. But the main problem is you won't be towing a dry or unloaded TT. Most folks underestimate the load they will add to the tow vehicle and TT, so they wind up overloaded when on the road.
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This is all new to me, so could you help me to know if I am missing something in my calculations,...
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Yeah, you're still trying to use dry hitch weight instead of the more realistic 13% of wet and loaded gross trailer weight plus 100 pounds for the WD hitch. So ignore than 575 number and assume 1,000 pounds gross hitch weight of that TT. Then weigh the wet and loaded truck and use the 6th grade arithmetic in my earlier post to see if you can tow that trailer without being overloaded.
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01-08-2017, 04:38 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Northeastern Colorado
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Originally Posted by SmokeyWren
Come on, now. It's simple 6th-grade arithmetic. The botton line is
" Divide the payload capacity available for tongue weight by 0.13 (13%) and the answer is the heaviest travel trailer you can tow without exceeding the GVWR and payload capacity of your F-150."
You are biased towards a full-blown travel trailer towed by your current tow vehicle. But you can "get by" with a pop-up camping trailer with GVWR less than 4,000 pounds and with wet and loaded tongue weight of about 500 pounds. Or if you really can't live without that bunkhouse TT, then trade for more tow vehicle.
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There is no way that he should need more vehicle for a modern lightweight bunkhouse trailer. His F-150 is more than capable of towing many of the TT's available, both for tow and payload limits. I listed several in my post right above yours.
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2017 Jay Feather X213 - 4215 dry, 5500 max 24' bumper to ball
2016 Ford F-150 4x4 SCrew, 3.5 EB with tow package (10,000+ tow limit, 1777 CC)
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01-08-2017, 08:04 PM
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Hello iRV2 contributors. I am a new member to the forum, and new to RVing, and am asking for help. I have a 2016 F150 3.5 eco max tow crew short bed. GVWR 7000 lbs, GAWR 3800, WB 145, 3.55 Axle.
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The problem with this truck is its small 3800 rawr that will be carrying all the load in the bed/rear bumper/etc.
All trucks they carry weight limited by the steer axle/tires....and the trucks drive axle/tires.
Run some numbers at you shows a F150 trucks rear axle may weigh in the 2200-2300 lb range when empty. This leaves around 1500-1600 lbs payload in the bed before exceeding those small 3800 rawr numbers.
RAWR = P tires/wheels/rear brakes and rear spring pack.
Most folks with a truck weigh both axles that way they know exactly how much load they can add to the trucks axles/tires....and in the case of a TT how much weight the front axle has lost.
When choosing a trailer look at the trailers dry weight....its CCC ....and its GVWR. Their all players in estimating a trailers actual hitch weight.
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01-08-2017, 08:30 PM
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Location: NE. Ohio USA
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One thing that messes all these calculations up. Where is all the storage in the trailer you are thinking about? Where is the kitchen? Where is the water tank?
Like my 26' trailer, all my heavier tools, power cords, bottle jack, leveling blocks are in the rear storage door at my units rear bumper. My pantry is 3-4' in back of my axles where on a normal long trip we carry one 30 pak of water and four 12 paks of beverages, plus a lot of food stuff.
All this in this thread, I'm going to have to watch in my hunt for the next RV. My Tundra has only a 9900 lbs. towing limit and 1650lbs bed limit.
On our Alaska trip which we were loaded heavy with full 52 gallons fresh water and extra stuff. I weighed at the first Cat Scale at 6000 lbs on a trailer that has a 4375 lb dry empty trailer weight. Limiting my hunt to under 6500lbs. dry on any new trailer ? yes / no? 28' or shorter
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01-08-2017, 09:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2015
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Originally Posted by Kevin12
My particular F150 is configured for a max tow rating of 11,500, a GVWR of 7000, and my payload is 2150.
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Is that payload per your door jam sticker or Ford literature?
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If I estimate a max of 700 lbs of passenger weight, add another 200 lbs of "stuff" in the truck, and about 200 lbs for a full tank of gas, ...
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Full tank of gas is figured into payload number as well as a 150lb driver. 700lbs is a about what my family loads in per the scale.
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...that would put me at about 1,100 lbs in the truck. The advertised hitch weight of the trailer is 575 and if I add 100 for a sway control, that puts me at a grand total of 1775 lbs.
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Don't go by advertised hitch weight. Estimate 13% of GVW.
As stated before, the limiter will be the rear axle weight rating. Hit the scale loaded for camping minus the trailer so you have solid numbers.
Personally I think you'll be ok. There are a lot of folks here that think a 150 should only be towing pop up trailers, but I think you should do the math after a scale visit so you can make a better informed decision. As of now it's a crap shoot.
PS: get a good hitch. You'll regret it if you don't.
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01-08-2017, 10:23 PM
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SmokeyWren is right your never going to get an F150 to haul a 5thw safely. Unless you take nothing with you except with what it came with.
Weigh your truck fully fueled and loaded. That way you can find out what you have left for cargo capacity and CVWR(Combined Vehicle Weight Rating), GVWR(Goss Vehicle Weight Rating), and RAWR(Rear Axle Weight Rating. Then you can choose a TT that won't put you over those limits.
Your other options is to upgrade to a F250.
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01-08-2017, 11:13 PM
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Location: Oregon
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Well as usual it looks like the OP needs a dually. And a diesel one to boot.
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01-09-2017, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cumminsfan
Well as usual it looks like the OP needs a dually. And a diesel one to boot.
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Don't you know by now a f150 can never tow anything and be within its ratings but it's ok to get an F250 diesel to tow a 44' triple axle toy hauler with 4000 lb empty tongue weight because ratings are made up anyway. [emoji23]
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01-09-2017, 08:55 AM
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Location: Oregon
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Originally Posted by drittal
Don't you know by now a f150 can never tow anything and be within its ratings but it's ok to get an F250 diesel to tow a 44' triple axle toy hauler with 4000 lb empty tongue weight because ratings are made up anyway. [emoji23]
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What was I thinking?
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01-09-2017, 10:29 AM
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Location: 4 Corners
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Originally Posted by 82ndCowboy
SmokeyWren is right your never going to get an F150 to haul a 5thw safely. Unless you take nothing with you except with what it came with.
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Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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01-09-2017, 11:02 AM
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Just get a Tundra... it towed the space shuttle after all.. should be fine with a 44' toyhauler even.
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01-09-2017, 11:29 AM
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Welcome and thanks for caring enough to research. This is a good place for info. I shopped jayco 5ers when I bought my first one due to having a Jay feather TT. They (jayco) are nice but seemed to run heavier on some other brands. You may want to check some rockwood ultralight fivers.
Good luck.
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01-09-2017, 04:00 PM
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#28
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 232
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumminsfan
Well as usual it looks like the OP needs a dually. And a diesel one to boot.
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I wonder if there is a way to script a button in the web interface to automatically type "You need a F450 dually" as the default answer?
Sure would save a lot of time...
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