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01-06-2017, 05:16 PM
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1/2 ton with 5th wheel match help needed
Hello iRV2 contributors. I am a new member to the forum, and new to RVing, and am asking for help. I have a 2016 F150 3.5 eco max tow crew short bed. GVWR 7000 lbs, GAWR 3800, WB 145, 3.55 Axle. I'm looking at a Jayco 26.5 Eagle 5th at around 7200 UVW and 1400 hitch weight. I have researched for countless hours to try to determine if my truck and this 5th are a match. The information on matching trucks to fifth wheels is incredibly confusing, and it makes me feel feeble minded and dazed. I'm also considering a TT, and might just go that route for lack of clarity on the fifth wheel confusion. Can anyone help me to solve this mind-bending problem?
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01-06-2017, 05:18 PM
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Welcome to the forum. Great info here no matter the questions
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01-06-2017, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin12
Hello iRV2 contributors. I am a new member to the forum, and new to RVing, and am asking for help.
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I have a 2016 F150 3.5 eco max tow crew short bed. GVWR 7000 lbs, GAWR 3800, WB 145, 3.55 Axle. I'm looking at a Jayco 26.5 Eagle 5th at around 7200 UVW and 1400 hitch weight.
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Bad news. You'll probably exceed the GVWR and payload capacity of your F-150 with that trailer when the trailer is empty/unloaded.
2017 Eagle HT Fifth Wheels 26.5BHS | Jayco, Inc.
The dry pin weight is 19% of the dry trailer weight. You can expect that percentage to continue as you load the trailer, assuming you don't load very much really-heavy stuff in the front "basement" storage area.
Stop fooling yourself by using those dry weights. Nobody tows a dry RV trailer.
GVWR of that 5er is 9,950. Most RVers would load it to a minimum of 9,000 pounds when wet and loaded for the road. So figure on 9,000 gross trailer weight. If you can maintain that 19% pin weight, that's 1,710 pounds pin weight.
Estimate 150 pounds for a decent 5er hitch installed, and that's 1860 pounds of total hitch weight. Subtract that 1860 pounds hitch weight from the 7,000 pounds GVWR of your F-150, and that means the most your wet and loaded F-150 could gross before the hitch and pin weight is 5,140 pounds.
Load your F-150 with everybody and everything that will be in it when towing and drive to a truck stop that has a CAT scale. Fill up with gas and weigh the wet and loaded F-150. You'll see it weighs a lot more than 5,140 pounds, so you'll be overloaded with that trailer.
TTs average around 13% tongue weight, so you can drag a lot more TT than 5er without overloading your F-150. So yeah, skip the 5er and look at TTs with GVWR less than 6,000 pounds if you don't want to be overloaded with your precious family on the road with you.
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01-06-2017, 09:27 PM
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Glad to have you here in the forum with us.
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01-06-2017, 09:29 PM
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SmokenWren covered the issues with YOUR F150 and that 5th wheel
You can 'pull' a lot more trailer then you can 'carry' & tow a 5th wheel
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01-07-2017, 08:01 AM
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Thanks SmokeyWren, that's a very helpful analysis of the issue I've been researching. I am going to move off of the Fifth Wheel options and look more carefully at my TT. I have two children 12 and 10, and with my wife included, we're probably at 500 lbs of passenger weight. Based on your feedback we'd be really pushing limits even unloaded.
In TT we've had our eye on the Grand Design Imagine 2800BH. Seems that it would be a much better match for my towing capabilities, and it would suit my family nicely.
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01-07-2017, 10:49 AM
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Kevin12, I haven't seen those until you mentioned it. I think I will have to look into those. I have a half ton as well and really don't want to trade for only towing 1 or 2 times a month. We had looked at the Winniebago 27BHSS but the weight concerns me.
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01-07-2017, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin12
Thanks SmokeyWren, that's a very helpful analysis of the issue I've been researching. I am going to move off of the Fifth Wheel options and look more carefully at my TT. I have two children 12 and 10, and with my wife included, we're probably at 500 lbs of passenger weight. Based on your feedback we'd be really pushing limits even unloaded.
In TT we've had our eye on the Grand Design Imagine 2800BH. Seems that it would be a much better match for my towing capabilities, and it would suit my family nicely.
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Glad to read that. Smokey knows his stuff. Being safe is always the way to go, especially with your precious cargo, your family. Though you may see others towing a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton, they are very likely not towing within limits and are unsafe. Not to mention the beating they are putting on the tow vehicle. It can be amazing to hear how some will justify an unsafe setup.
Happy shopping.
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01-07-2017, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin12
In TT we've had our eye on the Grand Design Imagine 2800BH. Seems that it would be a much better match for my towing capabilities, and it would suit my family nicely.
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Still too heavy a trailer for your half-ton pickup.
GVWR is 7495, or about 1,500 pounds heavier than the 6,000 GVWR I recommended above. Your sweetheart will probably load it to over 7,000 pounds wet and loaded weight for the road. That's over 900 pounds tongue weight and over 1,000 pounds gross hitch weight including the WD hitch. So continue shopping.
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01-07-2017, 04:33 PM
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The Grand Design Imagine 2800BH comes in at 5700lbs. dry. What is the max towing on the Eco-boost Ford with the max towing package? 11,500 lbs? Or is it because of the 32' trailer.
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01-07-2017, 06:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin12
I am going to move off of the Fifth Wheel options and look more carefully at my TT. I have two children 12 and 10, and with my wife included, we're probably at 500 lbs of passenger weight.
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Okay, let's start over.
Your limiter is the payload capacity of your F-150. So assuming you don't want to be overloaded, here's the drill:
1] Load the pickup with family and everything else that will be in it when towing. Tools, pets, toys, jacks and jack stands, campfire wood, everything.
2] Drive to a truck stop that has a CAT scale and fill up with gas. Then weigh the wet and loaded pickup, including you and the family and everything else that will be in it when towing.
3] Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded pickup from the GVWR of the pickup. The answer is the payload capacity available for hitch weight without being overloaded.
4] Subtract 100 pounds from the payload capacity available for hitch weight, and the answer is the payload capacity available for tongue weight. That 100 pounds is for the weight of a good weight-distributing hitch, such as the Blue Ox, Equal-I-Zer or Reese Strait-Line.
5] Divide the payload capacity available for tongue weight by 0.13 (13%) and the answer is the heaviest travel trailer you can tow without exceeding the GVWR and payload capacity of your F-150.
I suspect you'll find that in order to tow a 6k TT with your F-150 without being overloaded, you'll need to limit the weight in the truck to people only. Tools, pets, toys, jacks and jack stands, campfire wood, and anything else that weighs more than a handkerchief will probably have to be loaded in the trailer. But don't overload the trailer over the combined GAWR of the two trailer axles.
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01-08-2017, 08:11 AM
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Yikes, that's a lot to digest for a first timer. I've been shopping and researching for a couple of years now, and we're finally ready to purchase as we move into this spring.
With two kids, bunks are a must for us. The 2800BH is on the lighter side for bunk models we've checked. I see what you're saying, however, about the load adding up quickly to stress the payload and hitch weight.
My particular F150 is configured for a max tow rating of 11,500, a GVWR of 7000, and my payload is 2150. If I estimate a max of 700 lbs of passenger weight, add another 200 lbs of "stuff" in the truck, and about 200 lbs for a full tank of gas, that would put me at about 1,100 lbs in the truck. The advertised hitch weight of the trailer is 575 and if I add 100 for a sway control, that puts me at a grand total of 1775 lbs.
This is all new to me, so could you help me to know if I am missing something in my calculations, or if I would still be about 15% under my payload capacity?
One more note: We're not the roughing it type, so I think 95% of our camping will be with full hook-up.
Thanks,
Kevin
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01-08-2017, 09:04 AM
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Kevin 12 ... We own a '13 F-150 XLT HD Screw (8200 GVWR Pyload 2172). Although ur truck is a little heavier truck, may I add my 2 cents. We was towing a 31' Cougar TT & it pulled it with relative ease, but at times it was a handful. TW was 1045#'s and axle weight was 7060#'s total weight was 8105 w/GWVR 9900. DW decided we would like to do more FSCG camping and to do so we needed to downsize so we spent a year looking and crunching #'s for both TT & 5ers our F-150 could handle. We looked at the 26.5 Jayco Eagle & 28sgs Cougar Xlite. Would have loved to have either one as they both would fit easily in the FSCG we frequent but...a big but ... we felt both were to much for our little truck. We finally decided on a 26sab xlite. 5er ready to travel ...PW 1450, axle weight 7150, GVW 8600, GWVR 9600. For our truck it's a perfect match. In the 2 1/2 + years we had it, we've put close to 12,000 miles on it and we can't tell the 5er is back there. Towed mostly in the Southern Rockies in Southwestern Colorado.
IMO your truck being a short bed with the 3.55 rear end and about 15 or 1600# payload capacity wouldn't be beefy enough for even a small 5er or for that matter any TT longer than about 26' and weight of about 7,000 GVWR. JMO.
If you'd like anymore info from our experiences pulling with the 150, just PM me.
Milo
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01-08-2017, 09:32 AM
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2016 F150's have higher payloads because Ford went to the aluminum body. It's common to see CCC around 2000lbs in a XLT or higher trim without the HD payload option. the 3.55 gears will work just fine for your 2800BH. I wouldn't sweat it one bit towing that TT with your 2016 F150.
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